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I'm gonna call bs on these kind of comments. "better" on what? Coding models shouldn't even be compared isolated. A big part of making it work in a real/big cod

I'm gonna call bs on these kind of comments. "better" on what? Coding models shouldn't even be compared isolated. A big part of making it work in a real/big codebase is the tool that calls the model (claude code, gemini-cli, etc). I'll bet claude code will still keep stealing your lunch every day of the week against any competitor out there

koakuma-chan 10mo ago
I haven't used CC in a few months, what killer features have they added? I am using Cursor, it's clunky, but not that clunky so as to completely destroy model performance. I am pretty sure for my tasks (undocumented, buggy, legacy JavaScript project) GPT-5.2 is > all on any decent harness, because it doesn't give up or half-ass. It can run for 5 minutes or for 50 minutes, depending on your request.
- nunodonato 10mo ago
  it's not about features (although they've added plenty), its the internal tooling and the way the model is prompted.
  - koakuma-chan 10mo ago
    The only thing I know that CC has that Cursor hasn't, is the ability to spawn agents. You can just prompt CC "spawn 10 agents" and it will make 10 subagents that run concurrently. But otherwise, I don't know what CC does that Cursor doesn't. On the contrary, AFAIK, CC doesn't index your codebase, and Cursor does.
    - NoveltyEngine 10mo ago
      Surely CC has a lower price? How much do you have to pay Cursor for equivalent to what's provided in a 20x Claude Max plan?
      - koakuma-chan 10mo ago
        I don't know. My company pays for it.
      - mejutoco 10mo ago
        200$ https://cursor.com/pricing https://cursor.com/pricing
        NoveltyEngine 10mo ago
        If I was paying API costs, I'd be spending about $1700/mo to get what I use on Claude's 20x plan. My understanding was that Cursor would give me about 1/4 of that, on their 20x plan.
- dkdcio 10mo ago
  lol bold claim initially for not using the primary competitor in months. I try to use all 3 (Claude Code, Codex CLI, Gemini CLI); there are tradeoffs between all 3
  - koakuma-chan 10mo ago
    Read my reply to sibling comment. To my knowledge, Claude Code is at most marginally better than Cursor, and it's mostly the model that matters. Not saying there is no room for improvement on the tooling side, but no one seems to have come up with anything so far. Let me know which killer features Claude Code has, I would be happy to learn.
    - dkdcio 10mo ago
      it’s the “agentic harness” — they have shipped tons of great features for the DevEx, but it’s the combination of better models (Sonnet 4.5 1M, now Opus 4.5) and the “prompting”/harness that improves how it actually performs again I’m not saying Codex is worse, they’re just different and claiming the only one you actively use is the best is a stretch edit: also FWIW, I initially dismissed Claude Code at launch, then loved Codex when it released. never really liked Cursor. now I primarily use Claude Code given I found Codex slow and less “reliable” in a sense, but I try to try all 3 and keep up with the changes (it is hard)
      - koakuma-chan 10mo ago
        > they have shipped tons of great features for the DevEx Such as? > again I’m not saying Codex is worse, they’re just different and claiming the only one you actively use is the best is a stretch I am testing all models in Cursor. > I initially dismissed Claude Code at launch, then loved Codex when it released. never really liked Cursor I also don't actually like Cursor. It's a VSCode fork, and a mediocre harness. I am only using it because my company refuses to buy anything else, because Cursor has all models, and it appears to them that it's not worth having anything else.
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- nunodonato 10mo ago
  we dont have capability to see the inner working of claude code, its not open source. You just use it and you see the difference. I've tried all of them, including anti-gravity. Nothing beats claude code
  - HumanOstrich 10mo ago
    You can trace what's going back and forth over the wire between Claude Code and the model in use. That's going to be more insightful than their huge blob of JavaScript using React to render a terminal GUI.
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Mkengin 10mo ago
According to SWE-Rebench Anthropic and OpenAI are really close in performance, while GPT-5.2 costs less than half the cost of CC per problem. https://swe-rebench.com/ https://swe-rebench.com/

koakuma-chan 10mo ago

I haven't used CC in a few months, what killer features have they added? I am using Cursor, it's clunky, but not that clunky so as to completely destroy model performance. I am pretty sure for my tasks (undocumented, buggy, legacy JavaScript project) GPT-5.2 is > all on any decent harness, because it doesn't give up or half-ass. It can run for 5 minutes or for 50 minutes, depending on your request.

nunodonato 10mo ago
it's not about features (although they've added plenty), its the internal tooling and the way the model is prompted.
- koakuma-chan 10mo ago
  The only thing I know that CC has that Cursor hasn't, is the ability to spawn agents. You can just prompt CC "spawn 10 agents" and it will make 10 subagents that run concurrently. But otherwise, I don't know what CC does that Cursor doesn't. On the contrary, AFAIK, CC doesn't index your codebase, and Cursor does.
  - NoveltyEngine 10mo ago
    Surely CC has a lower price? How much do you have to pay Cursor for equivalent to what's provided in a 20x Claude Max plan?
    - koakuma-chan 10mo ago
      I don't know. My company pays for it.
    - mejutoco 10mo ago
      200$ https://cursor.com/pricing https://cursor.com/pricing
      - NoveltyEngine 10mo ago
        If I was paying API costs, I'd be spending about $1700/mo to get what I use on Claude's 20x plan. My understanding was that Cursor would give me about 1/4 of that, on their 20x plan.
dkdcio 10mo ago
lol bold claim initially for not using the primary competitor in months. I try to use all 3 (Claude Code, Codex CLI, Gemini CLI); there are tradeoffs between all 3
- koakuma-chan 10mo ago
  Read my reply to sibling comment. To my knowledge, Claude Code is at most marginally better than Cursor, and it's mostly the model that matters. Not saying there is no room for improvement on the tooling side, but no one seems to have come up with anything so far. Let me know which killer features Claude Code has, I would be happy to learn.
  - dkdcio 10mo ago
    it’s the “agentic harness” — they have shipped tons of great features for the DevEx, but it’s the combination of better models (Sonnet 4.5 1M, now Opus 4.5) and the “prompting”/harness that improves how it actually performs again I’m not saying Codex is worse, they’re just different and claiming the only one you actively use is the best is a stretch edit: also FWIW, I initially dismissed Claude Code at launch, then loved Codex when it released. never really liked Cursor. now I primarily use Claude Code given I found Codex slow and less “reliable” in a sense, but I try to try all 3 and keep up with the changes (it is hard)
    - koakuma-chan 10mo ago
      > they have shipped tons of great features for the DevEx Such as? > again I’m not saying Codex is worse, they’re just different and claiming the only one you actively use is the best is a stretch I am testing all models in Cursor. > I initially dismissed Claude Code at launch, then loved Codex when it released. never really liked Cursor I also don't actually like Cursor. It's a VSCode fork, and a mediocre harness. I am only using it because my company refuses to buy anything else, because Cursor has all models, and it appears to them that it's not worth having anything else.
      - 10mo ago
nunodonato 10mo ago
we dont have capability to see the inner working of claude code, its not open source. You just use it and you see the difference. I've tried all of them, including anti-gravity. Nothing beats claude code
- HumanOstrich 10mo ago
  You can trace what's going back and forth over the wire between Claude Code and the model in use. That's going to be more insightful than their huge blob of JavaScript using React to render a terminal GUI.
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Mkengin 10mo ago

According to SWE-Rebench Anthropic and OpenAI are really close in performance, while GPT-5.2 costs less than half the cost of CC per problem. https://swe-rebench.com/ https://swe-rebench.com/