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As a US corporation, Mozilla cannot compete on privacy focused services. If they want to focus on privacy (which I think is great), they should ship software th
by Tepix 10mo ago
As a US corporation, Mozilla cannot compete on privacy focused services. If they want to focus on privacy (which I think is great), they should ship software that improves privacy, not offer services.
- fsflover 10mo agoAre you saying that a warrant canary isn't useful?
- hermanzegerman 10mo agoHe is saying that no one outside of the US will trust them with their data, because of the US Cloud Act and similar legislation. There is a reason Proton & Co are based in Switzerland and not in the US
- aydyn 10mo agolots of people seem to trust apple
- philipallstar 10mo agoApple has actually proven itself over a long period of time on this issue. Maybe Mozilla has as well (do they encrypt telemetry logs etc for people with a Mozilla login?) but I haven't heard so much about that.
- rurban 10mo agoDid you really forgot about Snowden's Apple slide? Also their phones are routinely mirrored at the border. Just to support the unconstitutional government agenda of policing thoughts and speech.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> Did you really forgot about Snowden's Apple slide? Was Apple coöperating or were they hacked? (I remember the smiley face for Gmail. Google, in that case, was hacked.)
- sneak 10mo agoWrong. Apple explicitly preserves a backdoor in the e2ee of iMessage for the USG.
- fsflover 10mo agohttps://sneak.berlin/20231005/apple-operating-system-surveillance/ https://sneak.berlin/20231005/apple-operating-system-surveil...
- vaylian 10mo agoMarketing can do a lot to create trust. It's not all or nothing. Depending on your threat model, Apple's services might be fine. But I guess most people don't think enough about the implications of storing many years worth of data at a US company like Apple.
- Tepix 10mo agoYes but Apple is also avoiding collecting a huge amount of data, e.g. by doing things on-device.
- fsflover 10mo agohttps://appleinsider.com/articles/24/04/10/apple-makes-it-really-hard-for-users-to-completely-stop-it-from-collecting-data https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/04/10/apple-makes-it-re... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43047952 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43047952 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42014588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42014588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433
- reactordev 10mo agoOk, keep telling yourself that as you can’t remove iCloud…
- graemep 10mo agoThey can compete where the alternatives are also US based services. They can compete in the US. There are also many people who are more concerned about privacy from businesses than from governments. There are also people who are more concerned about privacy from their own government than a foreign government. Although the Cloud Act and similar issues with the US are much discussed here, I see no sign it loses American big tech much business.
- black_puppydog 10mo ago> There are also many people who are more concerned about privacy from businesses than from governments. We're living in an interesting time that may (or may well not!) turn out to be a pivot point in this question. People being ICE'd based on data traces they leave in commercial products may well make this kind of question more tangible to non-technical folks. > Although the Cloud Act and similar issues with the US are much discussed here, I see no sign it loses American big tech much business. If that is true (which it may or may not be) then it would also mean competing on privacy isn't a winning move, whether within or outside the US.