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It's expected for military operations to fly without transponder, they don't want to have their location visible. But it's crazy that they're also doing it in C

by t0mas88 10mo ago

It's expected for military operations to fly without transponder, they don't want to have their location visible. But it's crazy that they're also doing it in Curacao controlled airspace without agreeing a restricted area. Even for training they set up restricted/military areas in airspace all the time. Not doing it here, in allied (Curacao is part of the kingdom of the Netherlands) airspace is unacceptable. They could have coordinated this in the normal ways so ATC would route civilian traffic around the military operations or talk to the military controllers (who can see both types of traffic) before sending an aircraft through the shared airspace. This isn't new, it's how military operations are done all the time.

YouAreWRONGtoo 10mo ago
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davedx 10mo ago
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PunchyHamster 10mo ago
Do they have possibility of receiving the civilian transponders ? Even if it was off they shoudld've picked different flight height...
ulfw 10mo ago
It's a tanker not a stealth fighter.
ErroneousBosh 10mo ago
> It's expected for military operations to fly without transponder It's been a problem specifically with US military aircraft for years that they just wander into other people's airspace with transponders off and expect to have it all to themselves. We should just start shooting down anything big enough to need a transponder that is not using one. Doesn't matter who's in it, doesn't matter what it's for.
- dxdm 10mo ago
  > We should just start shooting down anything big enough to need a transponder that is not using one. Doesn't matter who's in it, doesn't matter what it's for. Maximum destructive, irreversible response. Even if you think this is sometimes warranted, have you thought of the edge cases? You seem perfectly happy to be shot down yourself, sitting in your airplane with a failed transponder. What's gotten into you to want to kill people so much?
  - ThunderSizzle 10mo ago
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    - dxdm 10mo ago
      As unnecessarily harsh as it was, the original comment said or implied nothing of the sort. If anything, it seems to be you who is suffering from an affliction not unlike the one you wanted to recognize in somebody else.
    - deleted 10mo ago
      [deleted]
    - estearum 10mo ago
      This literally was due to a plot hatched by Trump personally to destroy the sovereignty of someone else and threaten that of many others. It's strange to frame that as if it's some totally wild interpretation of events (though obviously it doesn't justify shooting down anything that isn't transponding)
    - ErroneousBosh 10mo ago
      It must be horrible being you.
    - sofixa 10mo ago
      > It's called TDS. Blind unfiltered constant rage against Trump, and anything he might represent, as if he is the great marvel super villain. I mean he obviously isn't, he's way too fucking dumb and demented for a good supervillain. Nobody would buy a guy looking like that as the "super villain". Sleasy mafia boss wanting to sleep with your preteen daughter in exchange for a favour, yes. Super villain? Never in his wildest dreams.
gpvos 10mo ago
Trump doesn't understand the word "allied".
afandian 10mo ago
Presumably they have flight plans, can listen to ATC, RADAR etc. So what's the plan? Just expect everyone to get out of their way?
- aftbit 10mo ago
  Big sky
  - afandian 10mo ago
    Too big to fall
    - IAmBroom 10mo ago
      Technically the sky is still fine.
      - prossercj 10mo ago
        Is it? I heard that it was falling.
jeroenhd 10mo ago
Curacao is a few kilometers of the Venezuelan coast, but the Americans have deemed the entire ocean north of Venezuela as military operations. The people in charge probably don't even know Curacao isn't part of Venezuela. With effectively no military and the Dutch government being an American lapdog, I doubt the people in charge need to care. They're already out there with orders to commit war crimes, shooting down an airliner or two that gets too close to their military aircraft wouldn't make much of a difference in the long run.
- nrhrjrjrjtntbt 10mo ago
  The camel has taken a lot of straw in 2025 but: > shooting down an airliner or two that gets too close to their military aircraft wouldn't make much of a difference in the long run. Would surely break its back?
  - jeroenhd 10mo ago
    I used to think that about so many things the Americans have been doing that I no longer have faith that there is a limit to the absurdity.
    - nosianu 10mo ago
      Look, I understand, but we have a concrete event here that is being discussed and there is no evidence anywhere for what you came up with. Adding feeling-based imagination instead of sticking to facts just makes the discussion much worse - and much closer to behavior you seem to object to.
      - nucleardog 10mo ago
        This same comment could be posted verbatim on practically any past discussion about terrible things that have happened and been happening. At what point is it fair to raise or discuss the bigger problems?
  - Fluorescence 10mo ago
Suzuran 10mo ago
Turning the transponder off only prevents civilian ATC from knowing your identification and altitude. They will still see your position as a primary target on their radar.
neom 10mo ago
Just a reminder the US military also conducts training operations around large civilian airports within the USA, with their ADS-B turned off, in this instance resulting in the death of 67 people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Potomac_River_mid-air_collision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Potomac_River_mid-air_col...
- fsckboy 10mo ago
  >Just a reminder the US military also conducts training operations around large civilian airports within the USA that's misleading. "The helicopter was part of the Continuity of Government Plan, with the flight being a routine re-training of aircrew in night flight along the corridor. In emergencies, elements of the US government would use it to evacuate the capital." Since the helicopter training flight needs to take place in proximity to the US government, and the airport serves Washington DC, they are of necessity juxtaposed. the US military does not seek out large civilian "airports" within the USA to run training operations. In this case it's just "airport" that happens to be near where the training needs to take place.

by t0mas88 10mo ago

YouAreWRONGtoo 10mo ago

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davedx 10mo ago

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PunchyHamster 10mo ago

Do they have possibility of receiving the civilian transponders ? Even if it was off they shoudld've picked different flight height...

ulfw 10mo ago

It's a tanker not a stealth fighter.

ErroneousBosh 10mo ago

> It's expected for military operations to fly without transponder It's been a problem specifically with US military aircraft for years that they just wander into other people's airspace with transponders off and expect to have it all to themselves. We should just start shooting down anything big enough to need a transponder that is not using one. Doesn't matter who's in it, doesn't matter what it's for.

dxdm 10mo ago
> We should just start shooting down anything big enough to need a transponder that is not using one. Doesn't matter who's in it, doesn't matter what it's for. Maximum destructive, irreversible response. Even if you think this is sometimes warranted, have you thought of the edge cases? You seem perfectly happy to be shot down yourself, sitting in your airplane with a failed transponder. What's gotten into you to want to kill people so much?
- ThunderSizzle 10mo ago
  [flagged]
  - dxdm 10mo ago
    As unnecessarily harsh as it was, the original comment said or implied nothing of the sort. If anything, it seems to be you who is suffering from an affliction not unlike the one you wanted to recognize in somebody else.
  - deleted 10mo ago
    [deleted]
  - estearum 10mo ago
    This literally was due to a plot hatched by Trump personally to destroy the sovereignty of someone else and threaten that of many others. It's strange to frame that as if it's some totally wild interpretation of events (though obviously it doesn't justify shooting down anything that isn't transponding)
  - ErroneousBosh 10mo ago
    It must be horrible being you.
  - sofixa 10mo ago
    > It's called TDS. Blind unfiltered constant rage against Trump, and anything he might represent, as if he is the great marvel super villain. I mean he obviously isn't, he's way too fucking dumb and demented for a good supervillain. Nobody would buy a guy looking like that as the "super villain". Sleasy mafia boss wanting to sleep with your preteen daughter in exchange for a favour, yes. Super villain? Never in his wildest dreams.

gpvos 10mo ago

Trump doesn't understand the word "allied".

afandian 10mo ago

Presumably they have flight plans, can listen to ATC, RADAR etc. So what's the plan? Just expect everyone to get out of their way?

aftbit 10mo ago
Big sky
- afandian 10mo ago
  Too big to fall
  - IAmBroom 10mo ago
    Technically the sky is still fine.
    - prossercj 10mo ago
      Is it? I heard that it was falling.

jeroenhd 10mo ago

Curacao is a few kilometers of the Venezuelan coast, but the Americans have deemed the entire ocean north of Venezuela as military operations. The people in charge probably don't even know Curacao isn't part of Venezuela. With effectively no military and the Dutch government being an American lapdog, I doubt the people in charge need to care. They're already out there with orders to commit war crimes, shooting down an airliner or two that gets too close to their military aircraft wouldn't make much of a difference in the long run.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt 10mo ago
The camel has taken a lot of straw in 2025 but: > shooting down an airliner or two that gets too close to their military aircraft wouldn't make much of a difference in the long run. Would surely break its back?
- jeroenhd 10mo ago
  I used to think that about so many things the Americans have been doing that I no longer have faith that there is a limit to the absurdity.
  - nosianu 10mo ago
    Look, I understand, but we have a concrete event here that is being discussed and there is no evidence anywhere for what you came up with. Adding feeling-based imagination instead of sticking to facts just makes the discussion much worse - and much closer to behavior you seem to object to.
    - nucleardog 10mo ago
      This same comment could be posted verbatim on practically any past discussion about terrible things that have happened and been happening. At what point is it fair to raise or discuss the bigger problems?
- Fluorescence 10mo ago

Suzuran 10mo ago

Turning the transponder off only prevents civilian ATC from knowing your identification and altitude. They will still see your position as a primary target on their radar.

neom 10mo ago

Just a reminder the US military also conducts training operations around large civilian airports within the USA, with their ADS-B turned off, in this instance resulting in the death of 67 people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Potomac_River_mid-air_collision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Potomac_River_mid-air_col...

fsckboy 10mo ago
>Just a reminder the US military also conducts training operations around large civilian airports within the USA that's misleading. "The helicopter was part of the Continuity of Government Plan, with the flight being a routine re-training of aircrew in night flight along the corridor. In emergencies, elements of the US government would use it to evacuate the capital." Since the helicopter training flight needs to take place in proximity to the US government, and the airport serves Washington DC, they are of necessity juxtaposed. the US military does not seek out large civilian "airports" within the USA to run training operations. In this case it's just "airport" that happens to be near where the training needs to take place.