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X11 has been replaced by Wayland as the default on the vast majority of workstations. Servers wouldn't have it anyway. It's "gone" for roughly 80% of the peopl
by esseph 11mo ago
X11 has been replaced by Wayland as the default on the vast majority of workstations. Servers wouldn't have it anyway.
It's "gone" for roughly 80% of the people using Linux on the desktop.
(It's often still installable, it's just no longer the default and has been marked as deprecated / unmaintained.)
- amelius 11mo agoI often read the advice that if something does not work on Linux, then switch from Wayland to X11. Also, 20% is quite a big userbase. What you are saying is like saying that Firefox is "gone" because "percentage". Trust me, X11 is not gone. (written from a browser that runs in a VNC session that uses the X11 protocol under the hood)
- bitwize 11mo agoX is deprecated. Its maintainers do not want to maintain it. They want you to use Wayland instead. The major DEs have removed their X code paths, or will in the next year. The toolkits will follow suit. X is a dead end for new and non-legacy software.
- oblio 11mo agoIt's a dead end that allows me to have HiDPI (aka a 4k display) on Ubuntu 24.04 and use the VMWare GUI and OnlyOffice. Wayland was launched 18 years ago and it still can't handle mainstream apps in common scenarios.
- oblio 11mo agoDownvote all you want, I'm telling you what I see. I had to fall back to X...
- esseph 11mo ago"I often read the advice that if something does not work on Chrome in the US Govt, try IE6." - This was still true as of last year. "Trust me, IE6 is not gone" - me
- bigstrat2003 11mo agoAre there hard numbers to back up the 80% thing? I don't know one way or the other, I'm just skeptical because I still have applications which don't work correctly under Wayland (Discord), and if I have such problems it wouldn't surprise me if others do too.
- esseph 11mo agoIt's the default for most of the parent/child distros. Wayland Only (default, installed): * Fedora * Ubuntu * openSUSE * Arch Linux * Pop!_OS Wayland (default) * Debian * SUSE I use Discord on Wayland every day and have for at least 3 years. Both AMD 9060 and NVIDIA 4060 (and an AMD RX 580). The distro you use can have a huge impact on your OOTB experience.
- tmtvl 11mo ago> * Arch Linux Arch doesn't even install a kernel by default, in which possible way does it default to Wayland?
- esseph 11mo agoOops! Sorry I was working in a sheet that had the variants listed and I must have shifted a cell! Arch clearly doesn't have any "defaults" there. Manjaro is on X11. SteamOS on Steam Deck does however use Wayland.
- m4rtink 11mo agoThe waypipe toole comes quite close to X forwarding on Wayland. :-)
- chasil 11mo agoI am using OpenBSD on an x86-64 desktop, and X is still very much the supported graphics environment. That said, there is interest in Wayland in these circles. https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2023-matthieu-wayland-openbsd.pdf https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2023-matthieu-wayla...
- 0x457 11mo agoSupported by whom? Xorg, the server, no longer maintained. Also, OpenBSD users already a tiny fraction of users...if every single OpenBSD desktop switches to Linux and Wayland, not a single metric will change significantly.
- chasil 11mo agoOpenBSD also maintains OpenSSH, which has enormous market penetration. Their ssh supports the -X and -Y options to run remote X applications. Let me know when those go Wayland-specific and are able to encompass the new protocol. Until then, get comfortable in a small and discardable minority.
- Conan_Kudo 11mo agoThe `-X` and `-Y` options were a mistake to integrate into `ssh(1)`, it makes an assumption that everybody uses an Athena/X11 type system. That said, you can combine waypipe with ssh to do the same thing (ie. `waypipe ssh` will give you the same effect as `ssh -X`).