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It is not true that X11 is gone. I use it. Many other people use it too. Can you show where you got the impression that "X11 is gone"?
by shevy-java 10mo ago
It is not true that X11 is gone. I use it. Many other people use it too.
Can you show where you got the impression that "X11 is gone"?
- esseph 10mo agoX11 has been replaced by Wayland as the default on the vast majority of workstations. Servers wouldn't have it anyway. It's "gone" for roughly 80% of the people using Linux on the desktop. (It's often still installable, it's just no longer the default and has been marked as deprecated / unmaintained.)
- amelius 10mo agoI often read the advice that if something does not work on Linux, then switch from Wayland to X11. Also, 20% is quite a big userbase. What you are saying is like saying that Firefox is "gone" because "percentage". Trust me, X11 is not gone. (written from a browser that runs in a VNC session that uses the X11 protocol under the hood)
- bitwize 10mo agoX is deprecated. Its maintainers do not want to maintain it. They want you to use Wayland instead. The major DEs have removed their X code paths, or will in the next year. The toolkits will follow suit. X is a dead end for new and non-legacy software.
- oblio 10mo agoIt's a dead end that allows me to have HiDPI (aka a 4k display) on Ubuntu 24.04 and use the VMWare GUI and OnlyOffice. Wayland was launched 18 years ago and it still can't handle mainstream apps in common scenarios.
- oblio 10mo agoDownvote all you want, I'm telling you what I see. I had to fall back to X...
- esseph 10mo ago"I often read the advice that if something does not work on Chrome in the US Govt, try IE6." - This was still true as of last year. "Trust me, IE6 is not gone" - me
- bigstrat2003 10mo agoAre there hard numbers to back up the 80% thing? I don't know one way or the other, I'm just skeptical because I still have applications which don't work correctly under Wayland (Discord), and if I have such problems it wouldn't surprise me if others do too.
- esseph 10mo agoIt's the default for most of the parent/child distros. Wayland Only (default, installed): * Fedora * Ubuntu * openSUSE * Arch Linux * Pop!_OS Wayland (default) * Debian * SUSE I use Discord on Wayland every day and have for at least 3 years. Both AMD 9060 and NVIDIA 4060 (and an AMD RX 580). The distro you use can have a huge impact on your OOTB experience.
- tmtvl 10mo ago> * Arch Linux Arch doesn't even install a kernel by default, in which possible way does it default to Wayland?
- esseph 10mo agoOops! Sorry I was working in a sheet that had the variants listed and I must have shifted a cell! Arch clearly doesn't have any "defaults" there. Manjaro is on X11. SteamOS on Steam Deck does however use Wayland.
- m4rtink 10mo agoThe waypipe toole comes quite close to X forwarding on Wayland. :-)
- chasil 10mo agoI am using OpenBSD on an x86-64 desktop, and X is still very much the supported graphics environment. That said, there is interest in Wayland in these circles. https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2023-matthieu-wayland-openbsd.pdf https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2023-matthieu-wayla...
- 0x457 10mo agoSupported by whom? Xorg, the server, no longer maintained. Also, OpenBSD users already a tiny fraction of users...if every single OpenBSD desktop switches to Linux and Wayland, not a single metric will change significantly.
- chasil 10mo agoOpenBSD also maintains OpenSSH, which has enormous market penetration. Their ssh supports the -X and -Y options to run remote X applications. Let me know when those go Wayland-specific and are able to encompass the new protocol. Until then, get comfortable in a small and discardable minority.
- Conan_Kudo 10mo agoThe `-X` and `-Y` options were a mistake to integrate into `ssh(1)`, it makes an assumption that everybody uses an Athena/X11 type system. That said, you can combine waypipe with ssh to do the same thing (ie. `waypipe ssh` will give you the same effect as `ssh -X`).