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It is mostly within budget, estimated in 2005 were 5.5 billion €, total cost as of today are 5.9 billion €, the difference being largely attributed to the pande
by fzeindl 10mo ago
It is mostly within budget, estimated in 2005 were 5.5 billion €, total cost as of today are 5.9 billion €, the difference being largely attributed to the pandemic and later addition of sections.
- franciscop 10mo agoSure, I'm just pointing out that this article doesn't follow the HN Guidelines, so I was confused at not seeing any mention of the budget within the article: > "Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's important." > "Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize"
- fzeindl 10mo agoAgreed, it was just important to me to point it out, since staying within such a massive budget on such a long timeline is a rare achievement.
- bigbinary 10mo agoConsidering the original title is just the name of the railway, and I do not think “within budget” is editorializing, I think the commenter is being overly pedantic
- franciscop 10mo agoI opened the article expecting to see news about the budget and how they stayed within it, since that SEEMS like the biggest surprising news in a project like this. How is that overly pedantic?
- tchalla 10mo agoI understand your expectation. That said, I think it's ok to add detail in commentary when the article doesn't mention it explicitly. So continuing to go upon the point that the article didn't mention the budget makes you seem as pedantic. There are non-English articles on the budget too. https://orf.at/stories/3414173/ https://orf.at/stories/3414173/
- b112 10mo agoTheir point was completely valid. HN policies are what help keep this place sane.
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- paulgerhardt 10mo agoI was curious about the forecasting success story here too. The German LOK article is better in this regard: https://www.lok-report.de/news/europa/item/62410-oesterreich-koralmbahn-punktlandung-bei-investitionskosten.html https://www.lok-report.de/news/europa/item/62410-oesterreich...
- jfoster 10mo agoYou're using a strange definition of "within". It's 7% over.
- tremon 10mo ago€5.5 billion in 2005 is €8 billion in 2025, so it can be either over or under budget depending on how you amortize the costs over the construction period.
- fzeindl 10mo agoIn a world where large infrastructure projects regularly exceed their budget by 100-1000%, 7% is huge. It is important to show people that that is possible in government projects. If you find a more concise way of saying „with unusually small overrun of it‘s budget“ tell me. Also there were sections added after the initial estimate.
- Y_Y 10mo ago"only slightly over budget"
- pestatije 10mo ago"almost" is the word
- tomhow 10mo agoDoes the site mention the budget and completion time/cost at all? I can't find it from a quick browse/search of the site. It's taking editorializing to a whole new level to add details that are not in the linked article or site at all. The right thing to do in this case is find the best source for this information (about the budget, schedule and completion time/cost) and make that the URL of the submission. Please email us the best links you know of about this (hn@ycombinator.com) and we'll consider updating the URL.
- fzeindl 10mo agoThe site doesn‘t mention it, I got that information from various german announcements. I fear there probably won‘t be an English announcement regarding the budget, though there will be many regarding the tunnel.
- oniony 10mo agoTo contrast, HS2 here in the UK has cost £40 billion (€45 billion) to date with a further £25 billion (€28 billion) allocated, for a largely superterranean route of 230km.
- monster_truck 10mo ago7x longer for 11x the cost seems pretty good all things considered. Always thought it seemed like a waste to not also dig out a bunch of storage while we're down there. I'm sure there are good reasons we don't
- IshKebab 10mo agoYeah because it would be extremely expensive and we don't need it.
- oniony 10mo agoIt's not seven times longer. The Austrian line is 130km with 50km of tunnels. Length Tunnels Bridges Stations Cost Koralm 130km ~50km 100 12 €6b HS2 230km ~75km 100+ 4 €74b+ Obviously this does not give any indication of the complexity of each project. Tunnelling and building railway through a metropolis I would imagine is quite challenging.
- shevy-java 10mo agoStill seems insanely more expensive in the UK. I understand they have a higher cost to carry because their project is indeed more complex, but that's like a almost 13x more expensive variant, while not even being two times the length.
- rsynnott 10mo agoAs far as I can see, the 6bn is _just_ for the big 30km tunnel? Presumably the rest of it cost more.
- orthoxerox 10mo ago
- hopelite 10mo agoStarted in 1998, apparently without a budget, which came 7 years later, and was completed within…mostly…budget, but not really since it was 7% over budget. Which also begs the question; why is a railway project page on HN at all, regardless of anything else?
- hopelite 10mo agoIs anyone going to explain what justifies the down votes or is this just Reddit tier mobbing now?
- gbil 10mo agoIs inflation included? Otherwise 5,5 billion in 2005 is >8billion in 2025.
- flawn 10mo agoProbably, else the sum wouldn't have worked out the way it did, if we are talking about 5.9€ million as of today.
- chasd00 10mo ago> It is mostly within budget, estimated in 2005 were 5.5 billion €, total cost as of today are 5.9 billion € That’s incredible! The project managers and contractors should collaborate on a book about how they did it. Heh staying on budget should be the norm and not the exception but irl a 20 year large infra project coming in that close is something to celebrate and learn from.