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I'm not 100% against AI, but I do cheer loudly when I see things like this! I'm also left wondering about what other things you could do? For example - I have

by dirkc 10mo ago

I'm not 100% against AI, but I do cheer loudly when I see things like this! I'm also left wondering about what other things you could do? For example - I have several friends that built their own programming languages, I wonder what the impact would be if you translate lots of repositories to your own language and host it for bots to scrape? Could you introduce sufficient bias in a LLM to make an esoteric programming language popular?

zwnow 10mo ago
> Could you introduce sufficient bias in a LLM to make an esoteric programming language popular? Wasn't there a study a while back showing that a small sample of data is good enough to poison an LLM? So I'd say it for sure is possible.
hurturue 10mo ago
Russia already does that - poisons the net for future LLM pretraining data. it's called "LLM grooming" https://thebulletin.org/2025/03/russian-networks-flood-the-internet-with-propaganda-aiming-to-corrupt-ai-chatbots/ https://thebulletin.org/2025/03/russian-networks-flood-the-i...
- brabel 10mo ago
  This article shows no evidence for anything it claims. None. All of that while claiming we can’t believe almost anything we read online… well you’re god damn right. > undermining democracy around the globe is arguably Russia’s foremost foreign policy objective. Right, because Russia is such a cartoonish villain it has no interest in pursuing its own development and good relations with any other country, all it cares about is annoying the democratic countries with propaganda about their own messed up politics. When did it become acceptable for journalists to make bold, generalizing claims against whole nations without a single direct, falsifiable evidence of what they claim and worse, making claims like this that can be easily dismissed as obviously false by quickly looking at the policies and their diplomatic interactions with other countries?!
  - nutjob2 10mo ago
    > Right, because Russia is such a cartoonish villain it has no interest in pursuing its own development and good relations with any other country, all it cares about is annoying the democratic countries with propaganda about their own messed up politics. That's actually pretty much spot on.
    - brabel 10mo ago
      When you start believing that there are only good and bad, black and white, them vs us, you know for sure you’ve been brainwashed. Goes to both sides.
      - hurturue 10mo ago
        so between 0 (good) and 100 (bad), what would be your gray score "badness/evilness" value for the following: Russia, US, China, EU yes, i know, it's not a linear axis, it's multi-dimensional perspective thing. so do a PCA/projection and spit one number, according to your values/beliefs
        tkfoss 10mo ago
        95,95,95,{depends on the country, from 30 to 100}
      - nutjob2 10mo ago
        For someone who complains about unsupported claims, you seem to make a lot of them. The fact that you think this is something to do with "both sides" instead of a simple question of facts really gives you away.
        brabel 10mo ago
        What?? I am just saying that if you think the world is made of black and white villains vs heroes, you are buying into the propaganda from one side or another. This is not a bold claim, this is basic logic from anyone mature enough to know that no country, and no person, is just simply either good or bad. They do bad things in order to accomplish what they believe to be good things. The US drop two atomic bombs on Japan, a horrifically evil act, but it did so in order to defeat what it believed to be an even bigger evil. Russia invaded Ukraine, a violent, barbaric act that caused the deaths of at least a million on both sides, but it did so because it, like the US, believed to be doing what's right to ensure their country's independence in the longer term since, as they'd been saying for decades, Ukraine must never be allowed to join a hostile military alliance as that would compromise forever Russia's own ability to defend itself from invasion from western powers, when Operation Barbarossa is still very, very alive in their minds to this very day. It doesn't matter if you agree with either the US or Russia on whether they were actually right, what matters is that they themselves thought they were right, given their own circumstances, and people love to ignore that and judge them by their own perceptions of what they should think. This is a sign of immaturity: you probably judge people around you in your life like that as well, by what you see from the outside without any idea what's going on inside their heads.

by dirkc 10mo ago

zwnow 10mo ago

> Could you introduce sufficient bias in a LLM to make an esoteric programming language popular? Wasn't there a study a while back showing that a small sample of data is good enough to poison an LLM? So I'd say it for sure is possible.

hurturue 10mo ago

Russia already does that - poisons the net for future LLM pretraining data. it's called "LLM grooming" https://thebulletin.org/2025/03/russian-networks-flood-the-internet-with-propaganda-aiming-to-corrupt-ai-chatbots/ https://thebulletin.org/2025/03/russian-networks-flood-the-i...

brabel 10mo ago
This article shows no evidence for anything it claims. None. All of that while claiming we can’t believe almost anything we read online… well you’re god damn right. > undermining democracy around the globe is arguably Russia’s foremost foreign policy objective. Right, because Russia is such a cartoonish villain it has no interest in pursuing its own development and good relations with any other country, all it cares about is annoying the democratic countries with propaganda about their own messed up politics. When did it become acceptable for journalists to make bold, generalizing claims against whole nations without a single direct, falsifiable evidence of what they claim and worse, making claims like this that can be easily dismissed as obviously false by quickly looking at the policies and their diplomatic interactions with other countries?!
- nutjob2 10mo ago
  > Right, because Russia is such a cartoonish villain it has no interest in pursuing its own development and good relations with any other country, all it cares about is annoying the democratic countries with propaganda about their own messed up politics. That's actually pretty much spot on.
  - brabel 10mo ago
    When you start believing that there are only good and bad, black and white, them vs us, you know for sure you’ve been brainwashed. Goes to both sides.
    - hurturue 10mo ago
      so between 0 (good) and 100 (bad), what would be your gray score "badness/evilness" value for the following: Russia, US, China, EU yes, i know, it's not a linear axis, it's multi-dimensional perspective thing. so do a PCA/projection and spit one number, according to your values/beliefs
      - tkfoss 10mo ago
        95,95,95,{depends on the country, from 30 to 100}
    - nutjob2 10mo ago
      For someone who complains about unsupported claims, you seem to make a lot of them. The fact that you think this is something to do with "both sides" instead of a simple question of facts really gives you away.
      - brabel 10mo ago
        What?? I am just saying that if you think the world is made of black and white villains vs heroes, you are buying into the propaganda from one side or another. This is not a bold claim, this is basic logic from anyone mature enough to know that no country, and no person, is just simply either good or bad. They do bad things in order to accomplish what they believe to be good things. The US drop two atomic bombs on Japan, a horrifically evil act, but it did so in order to defeat what it believed to be an even bigger evil. Russia invaded Ukraine, a violent, barbaric act that caused the deaths of at least a million on both sides, but it did so because it, like the US, believed to be doing what's right to ensure their country's independence in the longer term since, as they'd been saying for decades, Ukraine must never be allowed to join a hostile military alliance as that would compromise forever Russia's own ability to defend itself from invasion from western powers, when Operation Barbarossa is still very, very alive in their minds to this very day. It doesn't matter if you agree with either the US or Russia on whether they were actually right, what matters is that they themselves thought they were right, given their own circumstances, and people love to ignore that and judge them by their own perceptions of what they should think. This is a sign of immaturity: you probably judge people around you in your life like that as well, by what you see from the outside without any idea what's going on inside their heads.