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I don't think it's only from a cynic point of view - the question "if meat is murder, am I a bad person if I literally can't survive without it?" is a fair and

I don't think it's only from a cynic point of view - the question "if meat is murder, am I a bad person if I literally can't survive without it?" is a fair and interesting one. Of course that's not the point of the ad and I don't blame them for not making it a philosophical discussion, but it's the same approach that Madagascar uses (spoiler for a 20yo movie) to resolve their main conflict and both feel like cheating - if the penguins can think, I always thought, then so should the fishes.

latexr 10mo ago
> I don't think it's only from a cynic point of view - the question "if meat is murder, am I a bad person if I literally can't survive without it?" is a fair and interesting one. I think the argument is “meat is murder because you can survive without it”. Maybe that doesn’t work for the wolf, but I mean, it’s literally a story being made up for a child, and animals in those are allegories for humans. I can choose to not eat meat and live healthily, but I’m not going to feed only vegetables to a pet cat, who needs something different. To each what they need, as ethically as possible. When you can minimise harm, do.
- aziaziazi 10mo ago
  Cats doesn't need more beef kibbles than vegan kebbles! It's a common fallacy but cats do thrive with vegetables if selected and cooked right! Sure they're meat eater in the wild but if we accept modern (ultra processed) meat keebles as suitable for a cat, the vegan options definitely also check the healthy and nutricious points. Now we can debate if it's "natural" but that would open the horizon to other aspects of cat's modern live.
  - vrighter 10mo ago
    no, they can't. please stop spreading this misinformation.
    - aziaziazi 10mo ago
      What parts of my message you think is misinformation? Beside multiple anecdotal evidence, heres a paper on the subject: > No differences in reported lifespan were detected between diet types. Fewer cats fed plant-based diets reported to have gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders. Cats fed plant-based diets were reported to have more ideal body condition scores than cats fed a meat-based diet. > Cat owner perception of the health and wellness of cats does not appear to be adversely affected by being fed a plant-based diet. Contrary to expectations, owners perceived no body system or disorder to be at particular risk when feeding a plant-based diet to cats. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8
      - progbits 10mo ago
        That's interesting but it's questionaire based so I would not trust it much. There are many levels of bias here.
      - vrighter 10mo ago
        That is not a study about cats. That was a study about cat owners.
- johnnienaked 10mo ago
  You can survive without a lot of things. Some people survived eating dead bodies on a mountain in the Andes. When people reference life quality they generally don't talk in terms of "survival."
- seec 10mo ago
  > not eat meat and live healthily Extremely debatable and seems very dependent on your personal genetics/ethnicity. Just because you don't drop dead doesn't mean it's ideal; people can live underground too…

latexr 10mo ago

> I don't think it's only from a cynic point of view - the question "if meat is murder, am I a bad person if I literally can't survive without it?" is a fair and interesting one. I think the argument is “meat is murder because you can survive without it”. Maybe that doesn’t work for the wolf, but I mean, it’s literally a story being made up for a child, and animals in those are allegories for humans. I can choose to not eat meat and live healthily, but I’m not going to feed only vegetables to a pet cat, who needs something different. To each what they need, as ethically as possible. When you can minimise harm, do.

aziaziazi 10mo ago
Cats doesn't need more beef kibbles than vegan kebbles! It's a common fallacy but cats do thrive with vegetables if selected and cooked right! Sure they're meat eater in the wild but if we accept modern (ultra processed) meat keebles as suitable for a cat, the vegan options definitely also check the healthy and nutricious points. Now we can debate if it's "natural" but that would open the horizon to other aspects of cat's modern live.
- vrighter 10mo ago
  no, they can't. please stop spreading this misinformation.
  - aziaziazi 10mo ago
    What parts of my message you think is misinformation? Beside multiple anecdotal evidence, heres a paper on the subject: > No differences in reported lifespan were detected between diet types. Fewer cats fed plant-based diets reported to have gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders. Cats fed plant-based diets were reported to have more ideal body condition scores than cats fed a meat-based diet. > Cat owner perception of the health and wellness of cats does not appear to be adversely affected by being fed a plant-based diet. Contrary to expectations, owners perceived no body system or disorder to be at particular risk when feeding a plant-based diet to cats. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8
    - progbits 10mo ago
      That's interesting but it's questionaire based so I would not trust it much. There are many levels of bias here.
    - vrighter 10mo ago
      That is not a study about cats. That was a study about cat owners.
johnnienaked 10mo ago
You can survive without a lot of things. Some people survived eating dead bodies on a mountain in the Andes. When people reference life quality they generally don't talk in terms of "survival."
seec 10mo ago
> not eat meat and live healthily Extremely debatable and seems very dependent on your personal genetics/ethnicity. Just because you don't drop dead doesn't mean it's ideal; people can live underground too…