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That's one opinion. My opinion is public transport is phenomenal. It's relatively reliable (very in some places), generally clean and safe, low cost, encourages

That's one opinion. My opinion is public transport is phenomenal. It's relatively reliable (very in some places), generally clean and safe, low cost, encourages urban/high efficiency development, protects greenspace, and employees people.

hcurtiss 10mo ago
I'm not sure where you live, but that doesn't match my experience at all. And I think most people agree given the overwhelming majority of people who choose to drive, notwithstanding traffic and parking. The declining public transit ridership in most metropolitan areas over time is well documented.[1] It's because in most places -- but evidently not where you live -- public transit sucks relative to private transportation and ride-hailing services. As discussed above, EV autonomy will only increase the difference. [1] https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/fta-transit-ridership-per-capita-report/737603/#:~:text=The%20FTA,as%20high-capacity https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/fta-transit-ridership-p...
- eldaisfish 10mo ago
  most people in the US are forced to drive, they don't willingly choose to sink large sums of money into a rolling metal cage.
  - nradov 10mo ago
    Speak for yourself. I love my cars. For a relatively modest expense they allow me to go wherever, whenever I want and bring all my stuff with me. This is a miracle of modern civilization.
    - eldaisfish 10mo ago
      as is the consequent traffic, pollution and inefficiency that choices like yours add up to.
      - nradov 10mo ago
        Well I guess it beats having horse manure in the streets.
ekianjo 10mo ago
What are you talking about? In most cities public transport sucks, hardly goes anywhere, gets more expensive year after year, makes housing prices go up, and is slow and inflexible enough that people still end up needing cars to go around
- zx8080 10mo ago
  It's interesting to read such an opposite opinions on public transport from Americans and Europeans.
  - andsoitis 10mo ago
    Worth noting that only 17% of passenger transport activity in the EU is public transit (trains and buses). https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/share-of-buses-and-trains https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/share-of-bu...
jjav 10mo ago
> It's relatively reliable In most places it is not, which is a big drawback. Every week I hear on the news how the train shut down some stations or got massively delayed for random reasons. I couldn't possibly rely on that if I need to be at work at a specific time.

hcurtiss 10mo ago

I'm not sure where you live, but that doesn't match my experience at all. And I think most people agree given the overwhelming majority of people who choose to drive, notwithstanding traffic and parking. The declining public transit ridership in most metropolitan areas over time is well documented.[1] It's because in most places -- but evidently not where you live -- public transit sucks relative to private transportation and ride-hailing services. As discussed above, EV autonomy will only increase the difference. [1] https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/fta-transit-ridership-per-capita-report/737603/#:~:text=The%20FTA,as%20high-capacity https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/fta-transit-ridership-p...

eldaisfish 10mo ago
most people in the US are forced to drive, they don't willingly choose to sink large sums of money into a rolling metal cage.
- nradov 10mo ago
  Speak for yourself. I love my cars. For a relatively modest expense they allow me to go wherever, whenever I want and bring all my stuff with me. This is a miracle of modern civilization.
  - eldaisfish 10mo ago
    as is the consequent traffic, pollution and inefficiency that choices like yours add up to.
    - nradov 10mo ago
      Well I guess it beats having horse manure in the streets.

ekianjo 10mo ago

What are you talking about? In most cities public transport sucks, hardly goes anywhere, gets more expensive year after year, makes housing prices go up, and is slow and inflexible enough that people still end up needing cars to go around

zx8080 10mo ago
It's interesting to read such an opposite opinions on public transport from Americans and Europeans.
- andsoitis 10mo ago
  Worth noting that only 17% of passenger transport activity in the EU is public transit (trains and buses). https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/share-of-buses-and-trains https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/share-of-bu...

jjav 10mo ago

> It's relatively reliable In most places it is not, which is a big drawback. Every week I hear on the news how the train shut down some stations or got massively delayed for random reasons. I couldn't possibly rely on that if I need to be at work at a specific time.