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mmaunder 10mo ago
My name is Mark Maunder. Not the fisheries expert. The other one when you google me. I’m 51 and as skeptical as you when it comes to tech. I’m the CTO of a well known cybersecurity company and merely a user of AI. Since you critiqued my post, allow me to reciprocate: I sense the same deflector shields in you as many others here. I’d suggest embracing these products with a sense of optimism until proven otherwise and I’ve found that path leads to some amazing discoveries and moments where you realize how important and exciting this tech really is. Try out math that is too hard for you or programming languages that are labor intensive or languages that you don’t know. As the GitHub CEO said: this technology lets you increase your ambition.
- bgwalter 10mo ago
  I have tried the models and in domains I know well they are pathetic. They remove all nuance, make errors that non-experts do not notice and generally produce horrible code. It is even worse in non-programming domains, where they chop up 100 websites and serve you incorrect bland slop. If you are using them as a search helper, that sometimes works, though 2010 Google produced better results. Oracle dropped 11% today due to over-investment in OpenAI. Non-programmers are acutely aware of what is going on.
  - jfreds 10mo ago
    > they remove all nuance Said in a sweeping generalization with zero sense of irony :D
    - jrflowers 10mo ago
      This is a good point. It is a sweeping generalization if you do not read the sentence that comes before that quote
  - what-the-grump 10mo ago
    You pretend that humans don’t produce slop? I can recognize the short comings of AI code but it can produce a mock or a full blown class before I can find a place to save the file it produced. Pretending that we are all busy writing novelty and genius is silly, 99% are writing for CRUD tasks and basic business flows, the code isn’t going to be perfect it doesn’t need to be but it will get the job done. All the logical gotchas of the work flows that you’d be refactoring for hours are done in minutes. Use pro with search… are it going to read 200 pages of documentation in 7 minutes come up with a conclusion and validate it or invalidate it in another 5? No you still trying accept the cookie prompt on your 6th result. You might as well join the flat earth society if you still think that AI can’t help you complete day to day tasks.
  - muppetman 10mo ago
    Exactly this. It's like reading the news! It seems perfectly fine until a news article in a domain you have intimate knowledge of, and then you realise how bad/hacked together the news is. AI feels just like that. But AI can improve, so I'm in the middle with my optimism.
  - re-thc 10mo ago
    > Oracle dropped 11% today due to over-investment in OpenAI Not even remotely true. Oracle is building out infrastructure mostly for AI workloads. It dropped because it couldn’t explain its financing and if the investment was worth it. OpenAI or not wouldn’t have mattered.
- bluefirebrand 10mo ago
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  - eru 10mo ago
    Maybe you are holding it wrong? Contemporary LLMs still have huge limitations and downsides. Just like hammer or a saw has limitations. But millions of people are getting good value out of them already (both LLMs and hammers and saws). I find it hard to believe that they are all deluded.
    - skydhash 10mo ago
      What limitations does an hammer have if the job is hammering? Or a saw with sawing? Even `ed` doesn't have any issue with editing text files.
      - eru 10mo ago
        Well, ask the people who invented better hammers or better saws. Or better text editors than ed.
- GolfPopper 10mo ago
  Replace 'products' with 'message', 'tech' with 'religion' and 'CEO' with 'prophet' and you have a bog-standard cult recruitment pitch.
  - Aeolun 10mo ago
    Because most recruitment pitches are the same regardless of the subject.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
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  - mmaunder 10mo ago
    That's like telling a pig to become a pork producer.

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My name is Mark Maunder. Not the fisheries expert. The other one when you google me. I’m 51 and as skeptical as you when it comes to tech. I’m the CTO of a well known cybersecurity company and merely a user of AI. Since you critiqued my post, allow me to reciprocate: I sense the same deflector shields in you as many others here. I’d suggest embracing these products with a sense of optimism until proven otherwise and I’ve found that path leads to some amazing discoveries and moments where you realize how important and exciting this tech really is. Try out math that is too hard for you or programming languages that are labor intensive or languages that you don’t know. As the GitHub CEO said: this technology lets you increase your ambition.

bgwalter 10mo ago
I have tried the models and in domains I know well they are pathetic. They remove all nuance, make errors that non-experts do not notice and generally produce horrible code. It is even worse in non-programming domains, where they chop up 100 websites and serve you incorrect bland slop. If you are using them as a search helper, that sometimes works, though 2010 Google produced better results. Oracle dropped 11% today due to over-investment in OpenAI. Non-programmers are acutely aware of what is going on.
- jfreds 10mo ago
  > they remove all nuance Said in a sweeping generalization with zero sense of irony :D
  - jrflowers 10mo ago
    This is a good point. It is a sweeping generalization if you do not read the sentence that comes before that quote
- what-the-grump 10mo ago
  You pretend that humans don’t produce slop? I can recognize the short comings of AI code but it can produce a mock or a full blown class before I can find a place to save the file it produced. Pretending that we are all busy writing novelty and genius is silly, 99% are writing for CRUD tasks and basic business flows, the code isn’t going to be perfect it doesn’t need to be but it will get the job done. All the logical gotchas of the work flows that you’d be refactoring for hours are done in minutes. Use pro with search… are it going to read 200 pages of documentation in 7 minutes come up with a conclusion and validate it or invalidate it in another 5? No you still trying accept the cookie prompt on your 6th result. You might as well join the flat earth society if you still think that AI can’t help you complete day to day tasks.
- muppetman 10mo ago
  Exactly this. It's like reading the news! It seems perfectly fine until a news article in a domain you have intimate knowledge of, and then you realise how bad/hacked together the news is. AI feels just like that. But AI can improve, so I'm in the middle with my optimism.
- re-thc 10mo ago
  > Oracle dropped 11% today due to over-investment in OpenAI Not even remotely true. Oracle is building out infrastructure mostly for AI workloads. It dropped because it couldn’t explain its financing and if the investment was worth it. OpenAI or not wouldn’t have mattered.
bluefirebrand 10mo ago
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- eru 10mo ago
  Maybe you are holding it wrong? Contemporary LLMs still have huge limitations and downsides. Just like hammer or a saw has limitations. But millions of people are getting good value out of them already (both LLMs and hammers and saws). I find it hard to believe that they are all deluded.
  - skydhash 10mo ago
    What limitations does an hammer have if the job is hammering? Or a saw with sawing? Even `ed` doesn't have any issue with editing text files.
    - eru 10mo ago
      Well, ask the people who invented better hammers or better saws. Or better text editors than ed.
GolfPopper 10mo ago
Replace 'products' with 'message', 'tech' with 'religion' and 'CEO' with 'prophet' and you have a bog-standard cult recruitment pitch.
- Aeolun 10mo ago
  Because most recruitment pitches are the same regardless of the subject.
jacquesm 10mo ago
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- mmaunder 10mo ago
  That's like telling a pig to become a pork producer.