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Sam Altman says industry is wrong on OpenAI's competition, it is not from Google
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- dzonga 10mo agowhen your stuff is world class - you say your competition is google, we're gonna eat their search market share, have intelligent ads more targeted than google search ever could since people feed very personal info on chatgpt. now that google is leading - you say google is not our competition so you stop being compared to google & so you can raise globs of money on a false premise
- charlieyu1 10mo agoI mean anyone who has used any AI products of Google can agree they are horrible
- solumunus 10mo agoGoogle is leading how? By what metric? They’re potentially well positioned but they are currently doing poorly as far as I can tell. None of their offerings are the most popular option.
- shaftway 10mo agohttps://lmarena.ai/leaderboard https://lmarena.ai/leaderboard allows you to do your own blind A/B testing, but they aggregate user choices. Looks like Google is in first place in the vast majority of the metrics, not far behind in the rest, and ahead of OpenAI in every category.
- credit_guy 10mo agoIt's a bit unfair. ChatGPT has a version that is so expensive that it appears nobody on that leaderboard used it [1]. It is called ChatGPT 5 Pro and its priced at $120/1M tokens. Claude Opus 4.5 has a price of $25/1M tokens [2]. Gemini 3 Pro is $18/1M tokens (assuming more than 200k tokens) and Sonnet 4.5 is $22.5/1M tokens (same assumption). I would expect that ChatGPT 5 Pro would be better than any of these other models, but I have no way of testing. The next most expensive OpenAI model is ChatGPT 5.1, which costs only $10/1M tokens, so significantly cheaper than all its competitors. It seems to me that's fair for this model to come on the 3rd or 4th place, given that. [1] https://openai.com/api/pricing/ https://openai.com/api/pricing/ [2] https://www.claude.com/pricing#api https://www.claude.com/pricing#api [3] https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing
- solumunus 10mo agoHaving marginally better models is not winning the race. Their models are good but their products are bad, or at least not the best. They aren’t winning in adoption and this is currently a market share battle. I can argue that Firefox is marginally better than Chrome but that doesn’t mean Firefox is winning the race does it?
- DANmode 10mo agoFirst-mover advantage.
- DANmode 10mo agoGoogle was their competition, is likely the closest version to their internal sentiment.
- labrador 10mo agoI've lost all confidence in OpenAI as a going concern
- KptMarchewa 10mo agoThey are a money-losing startup. One that loses money on the core product. Yet they act like even less focused big tech company. Those usually have money printing machines, and can waste untold billions like facebook spend on VR.
- gaigalas 10mo ago> Altman argued that future AI competition will be won through devices What this really signals is the intention (which might be sincere or not) of getting some sort of OEM deal with some device manufacturer. And yes, if the path to profitability is in shipping devices with OEM AI features, Microsoft and Google are clearly ahead. It seems all venues to profitability are offensive to OpenAI current users. Ads, OEM, etc. This is a problem for them. And yes, Apple can include lots of undesirable things in their products and still keep their cult following, that's why he mentions them.
- joshstrange 10mo ago> What this really signals is the intention (which might be sincere or not) of getting some sort of OEM deal with some device manufacturer. I assumed they were talking about their partnership with Jony Ive/IO and an internal hardware product, not partnering (not that they won't do that as well).
- gaigalas 10mo agoIf you truly believe you have a revolutionary device, you don't need to advertise before its time. You wait in secret, and launch it in a big surprise. I smell bullshit, and some kind of partnership in which OpenAI provides model access and some third party hardware manufacturing. I could be wrong though.
- alephnerd 10mo agoThis news only came out after The Information leaked that OpenAI is working with Luxshare to begin manufacturing a consumer product [0] a couple months ago. [0] - https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-raids-apple-hardware-talent-manufacturing-partners https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-raids-apple-h...
- ulfw 10mo agoWasn't the whole weird Johny Ive and Sam Altman cuddling imagery and announcement their public announcement of a 'device'?
- vivzkestrel 10mo agorule 1 of discreet warfare: never tell your enemy that you are the enemy
- blitzar 10mo agoGoogle: I have the high ground ...
- lunias 10mo agoI don't trust Sam Altman. I'm surprised that anyone does.
- poguemahoney 10mo agoNo one trusts Sam Altman. The trouble is that the media remains in it's neutral reporting mode that gives anyone that achieves a title the benefit of what that would normally entail and unwarranted benefit of the doubt on everything they have obviously done as if it were a criminal court but with no possibility of ever actually consulting its jury.
- interstice 10mo agoI have a Personal Theory(tm) that modern media in general has far too little value or accountability for something that has such a massive amount of leverage.
- lesuorac 10mo agoI think you may have missed the part where mainstream media is no longer actually mainstream for that reason. Honestly for the best. Fox is never going to tell you when there's water main work on your street. A local paper might.
- ulfw 10mo agoHis board didn't.
- cainxinth 10mo agoHe has this tactic that I really dislike. After hearing a question he pauses a tremendously long time, as if deeply pondering it, but then spits out what is clearly just the company line, but he speaks haltingly as if he’s trying to get out something complex and important.
- ChrisArchitect 10mo agoRelated: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46121870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46121870
- SilverElfin 10mo agoAre you a bot? If not, how do you manage to instantly find all the related discussions?
- ChrisArchitect 10mo agoNot too instant. One of the biggest HN threads of the last week. Part of it comes from wondering what sources these blog-spammy news sites are getting their story content from.
- SilverElfin 10mo agoI’m just curious how you manage to post related discussion links so consistently. Is it not automated?
- atvrager 10mo agoThere's several hours of time lag between the article being posted and OP replying (as I write, 13 hours when the article was posted, 8 hours when OP linked something) -- you and I must have very different definitions of instant!
- SilverElfin 10mo agoI don’t like or trust Sam Altman, but I do find it disappointing that the megacorps like Google have enough capital and access to customers to just copy their products and win. It feels like our society is broken if there isn’t a way for the smaller companies to win.
- cryptos 10mo agoThat is not quite true. Google did much of the research OpenAI used to build ChatGPT. It is just that OpenAI came up with the first popular mainstream AI tool. Just look what Google does with its Tensor Processing Units ... they are developing AI chips for a decade now!
- halJordan 10mo agoFunnily enough, paying attention is all people need to do either.
- s1mplicissimus 10mo agoAgreed with the sentiment, but calling OpenAI a "smaller company" after it's just been infused with multiple hundreds of billions, is a bit of a stretch