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Regressive tax keeps the poor out of area with their older vehicles that pollute more than people who can afford to pay a $9 fee per day. News at 11.

by khannn 10mo ago

nickv 10mo ago
You act like driving in NYC is free even without the congestion price. You realize how much it costs to park in Manhattan right? $50/day? And if you are coming from the Jersey side, you realize how much the toll is for the tunnel? $17-27. So yea, if you're poor, you're not driving your beater to SoHo and parking in a lot for $50 daily.
- seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
  Most people driving into the city aren’t parking in Manhattan. When I was living in west Chester county, I would drive in into midtown and always find street parking near Columbia, free. I was surprised how easy it was to drive into the city because I heard lots of stories that it wasn’t. No tolls either.
  - nickv 10mo ago
    I'm confused, if you lived in Westchester and were parking by Columbia why would you be in Midtown? Mind you, it's still like $14-$22 to cross the GWB and if you parked by Columbia after driving down from Westchester you don't have a congestion charge to worry about.
    - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
      I’m not sure, I’m a bit hazy about the names, it was a dormitory, I never actually saw the school. The dormitory wasn’t on campus. We were interning at IBM Hawthorne at the time and my friend was living at a Columbia dorm and commuting. Sometimes when I took the train the nearest train line stop (to get back to Hawthorne) was Harlem.
      - nickv 10mo ago
        I get it, remember the congestion zone isn't the entire borough of Manhattan. It's just below 59th street. And, if you were driving down there, good luck finding parking in the literal densest place on planet earth during work hours (187k people/sqm). Driving in the congestion relief zone is not a right. (Also, this thread's root was "regressive tax affecting the poor" which I assert again, is just a silly mischaracterization)
  - afavour 10mo ago
    Columbia is over 40 blocks north of the congestion zone. You’d be able to do the exact same thing today.
petesergeant 10mo ago
The American mind truly struggles with the concept of people not owning cars
- CGMthrowaway 10mo ago
  We did perfect their mass production, and it propelled us to the world's largest economy. The only country with better GDP growth over the last 100 years is Japan, and that's in large part because they perfected the manufacture of cars themselves.
  - Mawr 10mo ago
    Right, it's not the geopolitical situation, but cars. Natural resources + every potentially powerful hostile country is across entire oceans = success.
  - rsynnott 10mo ago
    > We did perfect their mass production I mean... Toyota would beg to differ (and realistically US car manufacturers today are closer to the Toyota model of car mass production than the traditional US one).
- khannn 10mo ago
  The European mind quivers at the thought of a state with a bigger area than most EU countries I like walking around new cities, but a lot of people are car life types
  - nickv 10mo ago
    But we're talking about New York City here, not Kansas. Specifically the congestion zone which during the work day is the most congested place in the world (187,500 people/sqm).
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > I like walking around new cities, but a lot of people are car life types Congestion pricing makes driving in New York better. Broadly speaking, the tendency for someone to have a problem with the scheme is proportional to their distance from and inversely related to the amount of time they've ever spent in New York.
anyonecancode 10mo ago
Who are these mythical people who can pay $500/month to park below 60th street but will be bankrupted by the congestion toll?
- khannn 10mo ago
  $1.50 toll on rideshare drivers/users and/or people getting dropped off at work.
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > $1.50 toll on rideshare drivers/users and/or people getting dropped off at work Anyone Ubering to and from work is not among New York's poor.

Regressive tax keeps the poor out of area with their older vehicles that pollute more than people who can afford to pay a $9 fee per day. News at 11.

by khannn 10mo ago

Regressive tax keeps the poor out of area with their older vehicles that pollute more than people who can afford to pay a $9 fee per day. News at 11.

nickv 10mo ago

You act like driving in NYC is free even without the congestion price. You realize how much it costs to park in Manhattan right? $50/day? And if you are coming from the Jersey side, you realize how much the toll is for the tunnel? $17-27. So yea, if you're poor, you're not driving your beater to SoHo and parking in a lot for $50 daily.

seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
Most people driving into the city aren’t parking in Manhattan. When I was living in west Chester county, I would drive in into midtown and always find street parking near Columbia, free. I was surprised how easy it was to drive into the city because I heard lots of stories that it wasn’t. No tolls either.
- nickv 10mo ago
  I'm confused, if you lived in Westchester and were parking by Columbia why would you be in Midtown? Mind you, it's still like $14-$22 to cross the GWB and if you parked by Columbia after driving down from Westchester you don't have a congestion charge to worry about.
  - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
    I’m not sure, I’m a bit hazy about the names, it was a dormitory, I never actually saw the school. The dormitory wasn’t on campus. We were interning at IBM Hawthorne at the time and my friend was living at a Columbia dorm and commuting. Sometimes when I took the train the nearest train line stop (to get back to Hawthorne) was Harlem.
    - nickv 10mo ago
      I get it, remember the congestion zone isn't the entire borough of Manhattan. It's just below 59th street. And, if you were driving down there, good luck finding parking in the literal densest place on planet earth during work hours (187k people/sqm). Driving in the congestion relief zone is not a right. (Also, this thread's root was "regressive tax affecting the poor" which I assert again, is just a silly mischaracterization)
- afavour 10mo ago
  Columbia is over 40 blocks north of the congestion zone. You’d be able to do the exact same thing today.

petesergeant 10mo ago

The American mind truly struggles with the concept of people not owning cars

CGMthrowaway 10mo ago
We did perfect their mass production, and it propelled us to the world's largest economy. The only country with better GDP growth over the last 100 years is Japan, and that's in large part because they perfected the manufacture of cars themselves.
- Mawr 10mo ago
  Right, it's not the geopolitical situation, but cars. Natural resources + every potentially powerful hostile country is across entire oceans = success.
- rsynnott 10mo ago
  > We did perfect their mass production I mean... Toyota would beg to differ (and realistically US car manufacturers today are closer to the Toyota model of car mass production than the traditional US one).
khannn 10mo ago
The European mind quivers at the thought of a state with a bigger area than most EU countries I like walking around new cities, but a lot of people are car life types
- nickv 10mo ago
  But we're talking about New York City here, not Kansas. Specifically the congestion zone which during the work day is the most congested place in the world (187,500 people/sqm).
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > I like walking around new cities, but a lot of people are car life types Congestion pricing makes driving in New York better. Broadly speaking, the tendency for someone to have a problem with the scheme is proportional to their distance from and inversely related to the amount of time they've ever spent in New York.

anyonecancode 10mo ago

Who are these mythical people who can pay $500/month to park below 60th street but will be bankrupted by the congestion toll?

khannn 10mo ago
$1.50 toll on rideshare drivers/users and/or people getting dropped off at work.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > $1.50 toll on rideshare drivers/users and/or people getting dropped off at work Anyone Ubering to and from work is not among New York's poor.