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If the EU tried to innovate as hard on technology as they did regulations, imagine how far they’d be…

saubeidl 11mo ago
This trope is tiring. * We're leading the world in fusion research. https://www.pppl.gov/news/2025/wendelstein-7-x-sets-new-performance-records-fusion-research https://www.pppl.gov/news/2025/wendelstein-7-x-sets-new-perf... * Our satellites are giving us by far the best understanding of our universe, capturing one third of the visible sky in incredible detail - just check out this mission update video if you want your mind blown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCBFlIpvfQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCBFlIpvfQ * Not only that, the Copernicus mission is the world's leading source for open data geoobservation: https://dataspace.copernicus.eu/ https://dataspace.copernicus.eu/ * We've given the world mRNA vaccines to solve the Covid crisis and GLP-1 antagonists to solve the obesity crisis. * CERN and is figuring out questions about the fundamental nature of the universe, with the LHC being by far the largest particle accelerator in the world, an engineering precision feat that couldn't have been accomplished anywhere else. Innovation isn't just about the latest tech fad. It's about fundamental research on how our universe works. Everyone else is downstream of us.
- throwaway091025 11mo ago
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  - mhitza 11mo ago
    A comment that's vague, inflammatory, confrontational, and not at all related to the parent comment.
    - ls612 11mo ago
      He's not wrong though. A Europe that has to be responsible for its own defense either has to substantially reform its economy and society, or rely on France with its ASMPA doing the geopolitical equivalent of a drunk guy waving a knife around saying "stay away!".
      - saubeidl 11mo ago
        I feel like the madman with nukes approach would probably be enough - just ask North Korea if they've been invaded lately ;-)
        ls612 11mo ago
        Europe as a theme park/museum with nukes actually is kinda funny to me as an American.
        kbelder 11mo ago
        It wasn't the nukes that kept them safe. It was artillery. But the principle of mutually assured destruction is the same.
      - mhitza 11mo ago
        He's not right either because he makes large vague claims. If we want to discuss it on clear subjects. The "free" Europe has, and always will, thank the US for their help during WW2. The US didn't protect us until now, because there was nothing they had to protect us from. US pulled it's allied NATO members into war in Iraq, if we're tallying things up. With the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, both the EU and the US came to aid because a sovereign, close to EU, nation is invaded. No one was forced to do so. It's a matter of adhering to principles, that in theory are, shared by the "western" countries. Realistically the US would have to jump to our aid if Russia's attempts outreach their Ukraine war. But that is because that's part of the deal we all made when becoming members of NATO. And in terms of "subsidizing". That's the most outlandish claim, the US military industrial complex is so large for a reason. It's due to benefitting directly from the international government contracts, the technology it's building and selling (let's leave aside the shady and corrupt aspects of it for this topic) The small amount of investment spent on military by European NATO members is a fair claim, but let's not kid ourselves, the grander scope of such spending will, and is going, towards US military tech. In a sense having higher spending is all about pushing more money to the US.
        ls612 11mo ago
        And if the US doesn't jump to your aid? If in 2028 Trump goes "you guys had six years to prepare and pissed it away, why should we bail you out?" what can Europe do? They could certainly try putting together a multinational European army and taking it into combat but I doubt there is much political will for that in France or Britain, who crucially possess a lot of the air and seapower.
  - bgwalter 11mo ago
    That is X propaganda. The U.S. actively prohibits additional EU states getting nuclear weapons and does not really want a super strong EU. The U.S. profits from the military strength and "protection" with an overvalued dollar and people irrationally buying U.S. bonds. The EU spends at least three times as much on defense as Russia. But hey, perhaps it should spend EUR 1 trillion and get active in the Middle East again, after the U.S. has kicked it out in the Suez crisis.
  - blitzar 11mo ago
    Without the United States starting wars all over the world, the military support of the United States would not be needed.
    - nradov 11mo ago
      Who was it that invaded Ukraine? Who provided the bulk of protection to Europe during the Cold War? Hmmm...
  - mopsi 11mo ago
    > Whatever social niceties you have are thanks to somebody else protecting you and subsidizing your protection. Now more than ever, seems like it was just smoke and mirrors all along.
troyvit 11mo ago
Along the same lines, if the US tried to innovate as hard on regulations as they do on technology maybe we wouldn't be destroying the world.
- nradov 11mo ago
  Citation needed. I just checked and the world is still intact.
  - zero-sharp 11mo ago
    You have to leave your room first.
politelemon 11mo ago
Comparing the two, Europe is in a pretty good place right now thanks to its regulations. I'm glad it isn't as "far" and there are still some vestiges of treating people as humans.
lm28469 11mo ago
Meanwhile thousands of Americans don't have access to lead free running water, your public transportation system is about as good as ours from 150 years ago, parents have to be back in the office instantly after having a baby, if you don't have insurance a cancer will bankrupt you, your average lifespan is going down, &c. Keep your llms and iphones, we're more than fine on our side lmao

This trope is tiring. * We're leading the world in fusion research. https://www.pppl.gov/news/2025/wendelstein-7-x-sets-new-performance-records-fusion-research https://www.pppl.gov/news/2025/wendelstein-7-x-sets-new-perf... * Our satellites are giving us by far the best understanding of our universe, capturing one third of the visible sky in incredible detail - just check out this mission update video if you want your mind blown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCBFlIpvfQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCBFlIpvfQ * Not only that, the Copernicus mission is the world's leading source for open data geoobservation: https://dataspace.copernicus.eu/ https://dataspace.copernicus.eu/ * We've given the world mRNA vaccines to solve the Covid crisis and GLP-1 antagonists to solve the obesity crisis. * CERN and is figuring out questions about the fundamental nature of the universe, with the LHC being by far the largest particle accelerator in the world, an engineering precision feat that couldn't have been accomplished anywhere else. Innovation isn't just about the latest tech fad. It's about fundamental research on how our universe works. Everyone else is downstream of us.

throwaway091025 11mo ago
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- mhitza 11mo ago
  A comment that's vague, inflammatory, confrontational, and not at all related to the parent comment.
  - ls612 11mo ago
    He's not wrong though. A Europe that has to be responsible for its own defense either has to substantially reform its economy and society, or rely on France with its ASMPA doing the geopolitical equivalent of a drunk guy waving a knife around saying "stay away!".
    - saubeidl 11mo ago
      I feel like the madman with nukes approach would probably be enough - just ask North Korea if they've been invaded lately ;-)
      - ls612 11mo ago
        Europe as a theme park/museum with nukes actually is kinda funny to me as an American.
      - kbelder 11mo ago
        It wasn't the nukes that kept them safe. It was artillery. But the principle of mutually assured destruction is the same.
    - mhitza 11mo ago
      He's not right either because he makes large vague claims. If we want to discuss it on clear subjects. The "free" Europe has, and always will, thank the US for their help during WW2. The US didn't protect us until now, because there was nothing they had to protect us from. US pulled it's allied NATO members into war in Iraq, if we're tallying things up. With the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, both the EU and the US came to aid because a sovereign, close to EU, nation is invaded. No one was forced to do so. It's a matter of adhering to principles, that in theory are, shared by the "western" countries. Realistically the US would have to jump to our aid if Russia's attempts outreach their Ukraine war. But that is because that's part of the deal we all made when becoming members of NATO. And in terms of "subsidizing". That's the most outlandish claim, the US military industrial complex is so large for a reason. It's due to benefitting directly from the international government contracts, the technology it's building and selling (let's leave aside the shady and corrupt aspects of it for this topic) The small amount of investment spent on military by European NATO members is a fair claim, but let's not kid ourselves, the grander scope of such spending will, and is going, towards US military tech. In a sense having higher spending is all about pushing more money to the US.
      - ls612 11mo ago
        And if the US doesn't jump to your aid? If in 2028 Trump goes "you guys had six years to prepare and pissed it away, why should we bail you out?" what can Europe do? They could certainly try putting together a multinational European army and taking it into combat but I doubt there is much political will for that in France or Britain, who crucially possess a lot of the air and seapower.
- bgwalter 11mo ago
  That is X propaganda. The U.S. actively prohibits additional EU states getting nuclear weapons and does not really want a super strong EU. The U.S. profits from the military strength and "protection" with an overvalued dollar and people irrationally buying U.S. bonds. The EU spends at least three times as much on defense as Russia. But hey, perhaps it should spend EUR 1 trillion and get active in the Middle East again, after the U.S. has kicked it out in the Suez crisis.
- blitzar 11mo ago
  Without the United States starting wars all over the world, the military support of the United States would not be needed.
  - nradov 11mo ago
    Who was it that invaded Ukraine? Who provided the bulk of protection to Europe during the Cold War? Hmmm...
- mopsi 11mo ago
  > Whatever social niceties you have are thanks to somebody else protecting you and subsidizing your protection. Now more than ever, seems like it was just smoke and mirrors all along.

troyvit 11mo ago

Along the same lines, if the US tried to innovate as hard on regulations as they do on technology maybe we wouldn't be destroying the world.

nradov 11mo ago
Citation needed. I just checked and the world is still intact.
- zero-sharp 11mo ago
  You have to leave your room first.

politelemon 11mo ago

Comparing the two, Europe is in a pretty good place right now thanks to its regulations. I'm glad it isn't as "far" and there are still some vestiges of treating people as humans.

lm28469 11mo ago

Meanwhile thousands of Americans don't have access to lead free running water, your public transportation system is about as good as ours from 150 years ago, parents have to be back in the office instantly after having a baby, if you don't have insurance a cancer will bankrupt you, your average lifespan is going down, &c. Keep your llms and iphones, we're more than fine on our side lmao