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No fix yet for Samsung. Being reliant on the hardware manufacturer (or network operator?) for OS updates is the crazy world we live in.
by xnx 11mo ago
No fix yet for Samsung. Being reliant on the hardware manufacturer (or network operator?) for OS updates is the crazy world we live in.
- ChocolateGod 11mo agoI hoped with a move to Fuschia, Google would attempt to fix this, but unfortunately Fuschia on mobile is dead.
- shwaj 11mo agoIt’s “Fuchsia” with a “chs” not a “sch”. Where do you get your information that it’s dead?
- jcranmer 11mo agoAs Randall Munroe pointed out in https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/, almost nobody knows how to spell "fuchsia" correctly. I only remember it by the mnemonic of it's fuck, but with an s.
- crazygringo 11mo agoI vote to just change the spelling to what almost everyone already thinks it is anyways. It'll still be just as weird. But "chs" is just nonsensical. The idea that it would sound like "sh" is baffling. I mean, I know this is English spelling which is not known for its regularity, but this is just too much.
- pwdisswordfishy 11mo agoIt comes from the surname of a German botanist. Which just happens to mean "fox". Never had problems with it. It would probably help if you pronounced it right, with a /ks/.
- School-Cotton 11mo agoThe beginning of the English word "fuchsia" is not pronounced like the German word Fuchs, so indeed the spelling does not match the pronunciation. This is independent of the fact that it comes from that word. Plenty of things in English (and, in fact, loanwords in every language) sound different from the words they're derived from; that doesn't mean trying to imitate the source language is the "right" pronunciation. If you pronounce fuchsia like "fuksia" nobody will understand you.
- darkwater 11mo ago> If you pronounce fuchsia like "fuksia" nobody will understand you. TIL and yet another case of "English is fucking weird".
- lloeki 11mo ago> But "chs" is just nonsensical. The idea that it would sound like "sh" is baffling In the word "french" C H is pronounced sh and nobody bats an eye, I don't think it's that outlandish that someone once read it as fuch-sia, incorrectly splitting it compared to the original. In the language French, fuchsia is unequivocally read something more like few-shia, and I'd bet that even though it comes from German Fuchs-ia (fooks-ia) English has picked it up from the French side. If you find such a loanword weird, don't you dare try reading Japanese. https://aethermug.com/posts/the-beautiful-dissociation-of-the-japanese-language https://aethermug.com/posts/the-beautiful-dissociation-of-th...
- soiltype 11mo ago> In the word "french" C H is pronounced sh No, it's not. Unless you think the "n" in french is pronounced "nt".
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- lloeki 11mo agoFine, and legit. I get what I deserve for not looking it up! Scaramouch and crochet though.
- crazygringo 11mo agoSure, and cache and cloche. But the question here is chs, not ch. Which though rare, is widely understood to be a kind of guttural sound or "k" sound followed by an s. In -uchs or -ichs coming from German. Not the "sh" sound in fuchsia.
- majoe 11mo agoDamn, I always thought Fuchsia is just a colour, but today I learned - Fuchsia is a flower - which is named after a German botanist (Leonhart Fuchs) - Fuchsia in English is pronounced completely different than in German. - Google is surprisingly bad at naming their products
- Angostura 11mo agoIt’s helps if you know that the flower the fuchsia, was discovered by Dr Fuchs
- eesmith 11mo agoNamed after, apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuchsia#Taxonomy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuchsia#Taxonomy > The first to be scientifically described, Fuchsia triphylla, was discovered on the Caribbean island of Hispaniola (Haiti and the Dominican Republic) about 1696–1697 by the French Minim friar and botanist, Charles Plumier, during his third expedition to the Greater Antilles. He named the new genus after German botanist Leonhart Fuchs See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuchsia_triphylla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuchsia_triphylla .
- surajrmal 11mo agoFuchsia isn't dead. People just like to spread random misinformation on the internet. Source: I work on fuchsia. The intention is to have a stable driver abi which should allow you to build an arbitrary OS on top (fuchsia itself is exceptionally modular and doesn't have a lot of opinions it imposes on products built above it). Of course similar to a Linux BSP not helping Fuchsia run, such a layer wouldn't enable you to run other OS on top that are not built on top of fuchsia. There is also a limit to what you can generalize in the OS layers as some products may implement private apis between themselves and specific hardware drivers. A stable ABI also implies that the drivers won't necessarily need to be open source, but if the goal is to keep the rest of the OS updatable even if drivers themselves are not updated, that is a necessary concession. There are also many other practical benefits to keeping drivers open source regardless of license obligations to do so. That all said I'm very optimistic about this direction regardless of these caveats.
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- bigbadfeline 11mo ago> Being reliant on the hardware manufacturer (or network operator?) for OS updates is the crazy world we live in. Being reliant on a single OS permanently nailed to the hardware is no less crazier. I'd like to be able to install another OS on a vulnerable device, it would help tremendously and not only with the security of that specific device. Now I've got some expensive paperweights that I can't even use as such because every time I see them I have the urge to throw them in the trash can. Provide a way to unlock the phones and a standard BSP, it should be the law.
- edoceo 11mo agoPlease try to e-recycle rather than normal land-fill trash.
- secstate 11mo agoe-recycling is only marginally better than a landfill. At least a landfill in pseudo-regulated government economy has the chance to be safely abated in 100 years. Though a few things of value are sometimes extracted, mostly it all ends in places like Turkey or India and burned or buried. Sorry for the cynical take, but patronizing folks like this is worse than cynicism because it suggests that you actually believe what you're saying is true.
- chasil 11mo agoIf you are buying now, you want a device on a v5 Linux kernel with BPF support, where the bootloader can be unlocked and VoLTE is implemented in the 3rd-party ROM. LineageOS has a build roster of current devices at this URL: https://lineageos.org/Changelog-30/ https://lineageos.org/Changelog-30/ The Pixels are the most flexible, but don't buy a model from Verizon (they don't allow unlocked bootloaders). Most other OEMs require you to generate an unlock token and send it to them, then wait a week, which is extrememly inconvenient (and sometimes they just stop and refuse, as I understand OnePlus has). If you want a locked bootloader at the end of the process for security, then you will be on a later Pixel with Graphene.
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- mschuster91 11mo agoThat's always the case, even on Windows, even on Linux for closed-source third party drivers. The only exception is macOS because Apple insists on writing the drivers themselves - that was, in addition to Soldergate, the reason why Apple dropped NVIDIA.
- ifh-hn 11mo agoAre apples drivers open source?
- AnthonyMouse 11mo agoNo. Which is why "the only exception is macOS" is also false. At some point Apple drops support for that model and then that hardware not only gets no more driver updates, because the whole system is tied to the rest of it, it gets no more updates at all. So the only exception is systems with open source drivers. Those are basically supported as long as the hardware architecture is and enthusiasts even have the option of adding support themselves. You can install the latest version of many Linux distributions on the first generation of x86-64 hardware from 2003 and some on 32-bit PC hardware going back to the 1980s. It should literally be a crime that you can't do the same thing on a five year old phone.
- mschuster91 11mo agoMy point is that with macOS, Apple writes the drivers which means at least as long as the hardware is supported you can be pretty sure that there will be prompt fixes for any issue. With Android, Windows or closed-source Linux drivers (cough NVIDIA) you're left entirely at the mercy of whoever made the tiny little component controlled by the driver to provide a fix, which then has to bubble up through the ODM/OEM until it finally appears in an update you can install. If you want fast responses to driver bugs, you only have Apple or a fully open-source Linux systems as an option.
- ifh-hn 11mo agoI can't see how the situation with apple is any better considering what you've said, you're still beholden to apple to provide a fix. Even if that fix might be quicker coming IF apple is currently supporting the device; not at all otherwise.
- JohnTHaller 11mo agoI switched away from my flagship Samsung tablet when they pushed it to quarterly updates, meaning security issues often went unpatched for a while. In the fine print of the "X years of updates" they mention that they switch devices to updates only every 3 months and then every 6 months down the road.