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They need to have very strict security clearance requirements and maintain them throughout the life of the project or their tenure. People don’t realize this is

They need to have very strict security clearance requirements and maintain them throughout the life of the project or their tenure. People don’t realize this isn’t some little embedded app you throw on an ESP32. You’ll be interviewed, your family, your neighbors, your school teachers, your past bosses, your cousin once removed, your sheriff, your past lovers, and even your old childhood friends. Your life goes under a microscope.

nmfisher 11mo ago
I went through the TS positive vetting process (for signals intelligence, not writing software for fighter jets, but the process is presumably the same). If I were back on the job market, I’d be demanding a big premium to go through it again. It’s very intrusive, puts significant limitations on where you can go, and adds significant job uncertainty (since your job is now tied to your clearance).
- reactordev 11mo ago
  Yes but like a certification, that clearance is yours, not the companies. You take it with you. It lasts a good while. There are plenty of government companies that would love you if you had one. Northrop, Lockheed, Boeing, etc.
  - ecshafer 11mo ago
    An Engineering degree and a TS is basically a guaranteed job. They might not be the flashiest FAANG jobs, but it is job security. In this downturn where people talk about being unable to find jobs for years in big cities, I look around my local area and Lockheed, BAE, Booze Allen, etc they have openings.
    - reactordev 11mo ago
      My issue is you end up dealing with dopes who don't want to learn, just want to milk the money and the job security, and actively fight you when you try to make things better. Institutionalized.
    - Xss3 11mo ago
      They always have openings so investors think theyre hiring and growing. Many ads are for fictional positions.
    - cafard 10mo ago
      While getting lunch at an Amazon tech day a couple of years ago, I overheard somebody talking about how easy it was to place somebody with a clearance and AWS certifications. Now, this was Washington, DC, but I doubt it's the only area where that's true.
- galangalalgol 11mo ago
  Not to mention embedded software is often half the pay of a startup and defense software often isn't work from home. Forget asking what languages they can hire for. They are relying on the work being interesting to compensate for dramatically less pay and substantially less pleasant working conditions. Factor in some portion of the workforce has ethical concerns working in the sector and you can see they will get three sorts of employees. Those who couldn't get a job elsewhere, those who want something cool on their resume, and those who love the domain. And they will lose the middle category right around the time they become productive members of the team because it was always just a stepping stone.
- 0xffff2 11mo ago
  And yet my experience looking at the deluge of clearance-required dev jobs from defense startups in the past couple of years is that there is absolutely no premium at all for clearance-required positions.
CWuestefeld 11mo ago
I was once interviewed by the FBI due to a buddy applying for security clearance. One thing they asked was, "have you every known XXX to drink excessively", to which I replied "we were fraternity brothers together, so while we did often drink a lot, it needs to be viewed in context",

nmfisher 11mo ago

I went through the TS positive vetting process (for signals intelligence, not writing software for fighter jets, but the process is presumably the same). If I were back on the job market, I’d be demanding a big premium to go through it again. It’s very intrusive, puts significant limitations on where you can go, and adds significant job uncertainty (since your job is now tied to your clearance).

reactordev 11mo ago
Yes but like a certification, that clearance is yours, not the companies. You take it with you. It lasts a good while. There are plenty of government companies that would love you if you had one. Northrop, Lockheed, Boeing, etc.
- ecshafer 11mo ago
  An Engineering degree and a TS is basically a guaranteed job. They might not be the flashiest FAANG jobs, but it is job security. In this downturn where people talk about being unable to find jobs for years in big cities, I look around my local area and Lockheed, BAE, Booze Allen, etc they have openings.
  - reactordev 11mo ago
    My issue is you end up dealing with dopes who don't want to learn, just want to milk the money and the job security, and actively fight you when you try to make things better. Institutionalized.
  - Xss3 11mo ago
    They always have openings so investors think theyre hiring and growing. Many ads are for fictional positions.
  - cafard 10mo ago
    While getting lunch at an Amazon tech day a couple of years ago, I overheard somebody talking about how easy it was to place somebody with a clearance and AWS certifications. Now, this was Washington, DC, but I doubt it's the only area where that's true.
galangalalgol 11mo ago
Not to mention embedded software is often half the pay of a startup and defense software often isn't work from home. Forget asking what languages they can hire for. They are relying on the work being interesting to compensate for dramatically less pay and substantially less pleasant working conditions. Factor in some portion of the workforce has ethical concerns working in the sector and you can see they will get three sorts of employees. Those who couldn't get a job elsewhere, those who want something cool on their resume, and those who love the domain. And they will lose the middle category right around the time they become productive members of the team because it was always just a stepping stone.
0xffff2 11mo ago
And yet my experience looking at the deluge of clearance-required dev jobs from defense startups in the past couple of years is that there is absolutely no premium at all for clearance-required positions.

CWuestefeld 11mo ago

I was once interviewed by the FBI due to a buddy applying for security clearance. One thing they asked was, "have you every known XXX to drink excessively", to which I replied "we were fraternity brothers together, so while we did often drink a lot, it needs to be viewed in context",