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The most interesting detail about the whole XKeyscore story is that it was apparently not leaked by Snowden https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_

The most interesting detail about the whole XKeyscore story is that it was apparently not leaked by Snowden https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_pri.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_p... https://www.reuters.com/article/opinion/commentary-evidence-points-to-another-snowden-at-the-nsa-idUSKCN10X00A/ https://www.reuters.com/article/opinion/commentary-evidence-... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/11/second-leaker-in-us-intelligence-says-glenn-greenwald https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/11/second-leake... It is possible that the "second source" and the shadow brokers are one and the same. https://www.electrospaces.net/2017/09/are-shadow-brokers-identical-with.html https://www.electrospaces.net/2017/09/are-shadow-brokers-ide... https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/09/15/shadow-brokers-and-the-second-source/ https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/09/15/shadow-brokers-and-the... And here's an interesting tidbit about a possible link between TSB and Guccifer 2.0 https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/11/01/show-me-the-metadata-a-forensic-tie-between-shadow-brokers-and-guccifer-2-0/ https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/11/01/show-me-the-metadata-a...

sdigf 11mo ago
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- sallveburrpi 11mo ago
  You mean a Russian asset like Comrade Krasnov?
- monerozcash 11mo ago
  The USG does not seem to believe that Snowden was a Russian agent.
  - throwawayq3423 11mo ago
    I don't think it matters if he was more so that he inarguably has become one.
    - monerozcash 11mo ago
      How so? I'm sure you can make your case better than that.
      - throwawayq3423 11mo ago
        He sought political asylum in Russia and is currently living under FSB protection, which isn't free. It has a cost. Honest question, what more needs to be said?
        monerozcash 11mo ago
        >Honest question, what more needs to be said? The part where he is actively working to Russia's benefit.
        throwawayq3423 11mo ago
        You don't think exposing American intelligence operations and providing fodder for bad faith influence operations is not in Russia's benefit? With every interview he gives, he's the gift that keeps on giving.
        monerozcash 11mo ago
        None of that makes him a Russian agent. That doesn't even make him an useful idiot. Just useful.
        throwawayq3423 11mo ago
        You're confusing terminology. You can be an agent or an asset of a foreign government without formally working for them. You could argue Snowden never intended to become an asset of the Russian government but you can't argue that he didn't eventually become one.
- themafia 11mo ago
  Russia feels it has an interest in informing the American public on the depths of illegal behavior of their own government? Why is this a problem?
- i80and 11mo ago
  I'm not aware of there being a single lick of evidence to suggest that kookery, but even if he was a Russian agent, he certainly accidentally provided Americans a laudable service.
  - sdigf 11mo ago
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    - monerozcash 11mo ago
      Not really, he'd be risking whats left of his life by doing so. There's also rather little reason for Snowden to bother commenting on the very widely known abuses by Russian government, what could he possibly have to offer on that topic that hasn't already been said?
      - sdigf 11mo ago
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        monerozcash 11mo ago
        Support implies action, silence is inherently passive.
        throwawayq3423 11mo ago
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        monerozcash 11mo ago
        The existing evidence seems to suggest that Snowden was not actively trying to flee to Russia, but ended up stuck there due to reasons outside of his control.
        11mo ago
viccis 11mo ago
The Guardian sourced information about it to Snowden's leaks in 2013. What makes you think it's from a separate leaker, and that it's the same leaker as the "shadow brokers"? All I see is conjecture in those links.
- monerozcash 11mo ago
  Multiple people who have seen the entire Snowden dump claim that various files leaked by specific sources were not contained within the Snowden dump. Yes, the idea that the "second source" and TSB are the one and the same is necessarily based on conjecture. Nobody is presenting it as a fact, but as a rather likely option based on analysis of data released by TSB and NSA leaks which cannot be attributed to Snowden. Both TSB leaks and "second source" leaks originate from the same time period, and the same locations within the NSA. That does not mean that they were leaked by the same person(s), but it is a fairly likely option.

sdigf 11mo ago

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sallveburrpi 11mo ago
You mean a Russian asset like Comrade Krasnov?
monerozcash 11mo ago
The USG does not seem to believe that Snowden was a Russian agent.
- throwawayq3423 11mo ago
  I don't think it matters if he was more so that he inarguably has become one.
  - monerozcash 11mo ago
    How so? I'm sure you can make your case better than that.
    - throwawayq3423 11mo ago
      He sought political asylum in Russia and is currently living under FSB protection, which isn't free. It has a cost. Honest question, what more needs to be said?
      - monerozcash 11mo ago
        >Honest question, what more needs to be said? The part where he is actively working to Russia's benefit.
        throwawayq3423 11mo ago
        You don't think exposing American intelligence operations and providing fodder for bad faith influence operations is not in Russia's benefit? With every interview he gives, he's the gift that keeps on giving.
        monerozcash 11mo ago
        None of that makes him a Russian agent. That doesn't even make him an useful idiot. Just useful.
        throwawayq3423 11mo ago
        You're confusing terminology. You can be an agent or an asset of a foreign government without formally working for them. You could argue Snowden never intended to become an asset of the Russian government but you can't argue that he didn't eventually become one.
themafia 11mo ago
Russia feels it has an interest in informing the American public on the depths of illegal behavior of their own government? Why is this a problem?
i80and 11mo ago
I'm not aware of there being a single lick of evidence to suggest that kookery, but even if he was a Russian agent, he certainly accidentally provided Americans a laudable service.
- sdigf 11mo ago
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  - monerozcash 11mo ago
    Not really, he'd be risking whats left of his life by doing so. There's also rather little reason for Snowden to bother commenting on the very widely known abuses by Russian government, what could he possibly have to offer on that topic that hasn't already been said?
    - sdigf 11mo ago
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      - monerozcash 11mo ago
        Support implies action, silence is inherently passive.
        throwawayq3423 11mo ago
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        monerozcash 11mo ago
        The existing evidence seems to suggest that Snowden was not actively trying to flee to Russia, but ended up stuck there due to reasons outside of his control.
        11mo ago

viccis 11mo ago

The Guardian sourced information about it to Snowden's leaks in 2013. What makes you think it's from a separate leaker, and that it's the same leaker as the "shadow brokers"? All I see is conjecture in those links.

monerozcash 11mo ago
Multiple people who have seen the entire Snowden dump claim that various files leaked by specific sources were not contained within the Snowden dump. Yes, the idea that the "second source" and TSB are the one and the same is necessarily based on conjecture. Nobody is presenting it as a fact, but as a rather likely option based on analysis of data released by TSB and NSA leaks which cannot be attributed to Snowden. Both TSB leaks and "second source" leaks originate from the same time period, and the same locations within the NSA. That does not mean that they were leaked by the same person(s), but it is a fairly likely option.