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The S400 seems to do a good job of shooting down drones despite what CNN/MSN says. It has defended against several thousand drones in the last year. It also suc

• monerozcash 11mo ago
  > It has defended against several thousand drones in the last year. The idea of shooting down thousands of cheap drones using the S400 sounds ... interesting, to put it mildly. > It also successfully used by India in the latest spat and India is placing more orders after its proven success in Operation Sindoor There's not exactly many options available to India if they want to have any kind of air defense. The S400 certainly isn't terrible, but India also has every reason to exaggerate it's performance. Not only that, but it's not like both sides of that particular conflict haven't already been caught in many blatant lies regarding their performance. 5 or so months after the war Indian Air Force started repeatedly falsely claiming that they downed at least five Pakistani fighter jets, and one AWACS aircraft. This claim is patently absurd and completely unsupported by any evidence, but propaganda is very important to the Modi government. If India had evidence of them destroying a single Pakistani fighter, they'd absolutely be displaying that all over the place. They don't, because they likely did not hit any.
  • lenkite 11mo ago
    > Indian Air Force has repeatedly falsely claimed that they downed five Pakistani fighter jets, and one AWACS aircraft. This claim is patently absurd and completely unsupported... This was also confirmed by several independent international aviation experts not only the IAF. The S-400 achieved a record-setting engagement by shooting down a Saab 2000 AWACS aircraft from a range of greater than 300 km. Check out the analysis of Austrian military analyst Tom Cooper - he has covered this too. > If India had evidence of them destroying a single Pakistani fighter, they'd absolutely be displaying that all over the place. Umm..dude, the strikes were deep into Pakistani territory. Can't show the live site you know ? They did show satellite imagery. > but propaganda is very important to the Modi government. The IAF is not in the habit of lying and the government doesn't modify IAF briefings. The only propaganda here is sadly coming from yourself.
    • monerozcash 11mo ago
      >This was also confirmed by several independent international aviation experts not only the IAF. The S-400 achieved a record-setting engagement by shooting down a Saab 2000 AWACS aircraft from a range of greater than 300 km. Not a single credible source has reported this. >The only propaganda on this subject is sadly coming from yourself. Look, there are a plenty of actual photos of the IAF losses in this conflict. The IAF claims of PAF losses took months to surface and are not accompanied by any evidence and are widely considered to be fabrications by the rest of the world, and I'm certainly not talking about pro-Pakistani medias. >Check out the analysis of Austrian military analyst Tom Cooper - he has covered this extensively. Tom Cooper is an idiot who also repeated false claims that India had PAF pilots in custody. He's also got an extensive history of making up false claims about non-existent AFU successes against Russia. https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/ukraine-war-4-5-july-2022-ff80338be560 https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/ukraine-war-4-5-july-2022-... https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/ukraine-war-29-june-2023 https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/ukraine-war-29-june-202... Articles like these that are more optimistic than the most optimistic Ukrainian propaganda. If he is the genuinely best source you can find, maybe it's time to start reconsidering your beliefs. >Umm..dude, the strikes were deep into Pakistani territory. Can't show the live site you know ? They did show satellite imagery. Ah yes, of course it's impossible to source footage of a single one of the five jets supposedly destroyed inside Pakistan. That's totally credible! >The IAF is not in the habit of lying and the government doesn't modify IAF briefings. The only propaganda here is sadly coming from yourself. So you're telling me that the IAF never claimed to have lost zero planes in the conflict against Pakistan, only to change their story after photos came out? :) Look, I get you guys have a certain nationalist interest in this topic and it's very emotional. But you could at least try to include some decent sources since this is HN. To start with, I'd love to see some substance for your original claim that Russia is using their super expensive long range S-400 to shoot down thousands of cheap Ukrainian drones when Russia has a plenty of vastly cheaper equipment suited for that particular task. That's a claim I've never seen before, as opposed to the India-Pakistani conflict that has been endlessly litigated at this point.
      • lenkite 11mo ago
        > Not a single credible source has reported this. Wow, I would first like your definition of a credible source before bothering even discussing further - it seems you have some extraordinary high standard that neither media nor government sources or international analysts nor satellite imagery nor some of the photos of the crashed aircraft can meet. Tom Cooper has now been relegated to an idiot by you. How about John Spencer then ? He is a US military analyst who has also confirmed the efficacy of the S-400 and Operation Sindoor. Is he also an idiot ? What about (Retd) Pakistani Air Marshal Masood Akhtar who was reported as saying an AWACS was destroyed ? Is he also an idiot ? > To start with, I'd love to see some substance for your original claim What would even be the point ? I would point to indian/russian sources and you would immediately shoot them down as propaganda. First, you should confirm what you mean by "substance" and "evidence".