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Learning to speak Russian, and to live with the massive amount of corruption, prosecution, genocide, and much lower quality of life. Assuming you survive the i

by lawn 10mo ago

Learning to speak Russian, and to live with the massive amount of corruption, prosecution, genocide, and much lower quality of life. Assuming you survive the initial wave of plunder, rape and murder of course.

jasonvorhe 10mo ago
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- disgruntledphd2 10mo ago
  Do you think Russians have a better quality of life than Germans?
  - jasonvorhe 10mo ago
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    - fifilura 10mo ago
      Maybe you should look for other sources than random YouTube videos of people shopping in central Moscow. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-st...
      - jasonvorhe 10mo ago
        And you're posting a 6+ years old news report about indoor plumbing for a country with the lowest population density (in squared kilometers) of ~8.5 compared to ~35 (US) and ~100 (all of the EU) as if it had any meaning. Good luck, man.
        fifilura 10mo ago
        Says the guy who is "Looking at various videos of people going shopping in Russia I see lots of full cabinets"
        Amezarak 10mo ago
        Indoor plumbing doesn't have anything to do with population density. Millions of rural Americans have indoor plumbing without municipal water and sewer systems, using wells and septic tanks.
- lawn 10mo ago
  So you'd rather read Russian propaganda? Weird choice.
  - jasonvorhe 10mo ago
    So in your experience there is only one or the other and there's no room for nuance and neutral assessments of both positions? Guess who has been propagandized.
    - lawn 10mo ago
      There is nuance and neutral assessments, but your comment provides absolutely none of that. The state of Russia are very well documented you know, by countless of neutral observers. Yet you dismiss it all as "mainstream media propaganda".
      - jasonvorhe 10mo ago
        Reading the nuanced and neutral assessments where what convinced me that mainstream media propaganda is an issue in the first place but I see that this isn't leading anywhere. Good luck on your path.
  - ekianjo 10mo ago
    > So you'd rather read Russian propaganda? Propaganda happens on both sides during a war. You just need to be aware of it.
    - lawn 10mo ago
      These arguments always try to imply that both sides are equally bad, which is not the case (by far).
      - ekianjo 10mo ago
        > These arguments always try to imply that both sides are equally bad, which is not the case (by far). You have actually no way of knowing the truth
justsomejew 10mo ago
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- flohofwoe 10mo ago
  Here, educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_... The Red Army wasn't all that civilized either on their way to Berlin.
  - justsomejew 10mo ago
    26 million people killed in Soviet Union. Jews massacred in Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine by the local population (not all of them participated, but your current friends ideological fathers did). Only in Leningrad's blocade 2 million people died. It was the Soviet Army which liberated Auschwitz, Soviet Army which crushed the nazi war machine starting from Stalingrad. And these are the main points which your nauseating antirussian propaganda pretends as if it does not exist. And the rest, some of it happened, some of it did not. And wikipedia is not a reliable source for historic events, itis full of propaganda as most educated people realize. [Just saw that this comment got hidden; if it was not so dangerous, one could have only laughed at how the "free speech" warriors want to suppress other people's views. Nothing new of course.]
    - mopsi 10mo ago
      Speaking of things people pretend not to exist, Russian historiography frames WWII as lasting from 1941 to 1945. The USSR conspired with the Nazis to divide Europe[1], invaded Poland from the east in cooperation with Germany[2], held a joint victory parade when Soviet and German forces met[3], murdered the Polish people in an industrial manner[4], and so forth. Later, it pretended that the war began only in 1941 and that none of this had happened. These events were officially acknowledged only in the early 1990s, in the final days of the USSR. And these were only the opening months of the war. Here is Soviet officer Leonid Rabichev giving a chilling description of the final months of the war in Prussia and the extent of Soviet atrocities against civilians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928 Stories like these are why the phrase "Soviet liberators" is used only sarcastically in Eastern Europe. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

by lawn 10mo ago

jasonvorhe 10mo ago

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disgruntledphd2 10mo ago
Do you think Russians have a better quality of life than Germans?
- jasonvorhe 10mo ago
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  - fifilura 10mo ago
    Maybe you should look for other sources than random YouTube videos of people shopping in central Moscow. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-st...
    - jasonvorhe 10mo ago
      And you're posting a 6+ years old news report about indoor plumbing for a country with the lowest population density (in squared kilometers) of ~8.5 compared to ~35 (US) and ~100 (all of the EU) as if it had any meaning. Good luck, man.
      - fifilura 10mo ago
        Says the guy who is "Looking at various videos of people going shopping in Russia I see lots of full cabinets"
      - Amezarak 10mo ago
        Indoor plumbing doesn't have anything to do with population density. Millions of rural Americans have indoor plumbing without municipal water and sewer systems, using wells and septic tanks.
lawn 10mo ago
So you'd rather read Russian propaganda? Weird choice.
- jasonvorhe 10mo ago
  So in your experience there is only one or the other and there's no room for nuance and neutral assessments of both positions? Guess who has been propagandized.
  - lawn 10mo ago
    There is nuance and neutral assessments, but your comment provides absolutely none of that. The state of Russia are very well documented you know, by countless of neutral observers. Yet you dismiss it all as "mainstream media propaganda".
    - jasonvorhe 10mo ago
      Reading the nuanced and neutral assessments where what convinced me that mainstream media propaganda is an issue in the first place but I see that this isn't leading anywhere. Good luck on your path.
- ekianjo 10mo ago
  > So you'd rather read Russian propaganda? Propaganda happens on both sides during a war. You just need to be aware of it.
  - lawn 10mo ago
    These arguments always try to imply that both sides are equally bad, which is not the case (by far).
    - ekianjo 10mo ago
      > These arguments always try to imply that both sides are equally bad, which is not the case (by far). You have actually no way of knowing the truth

justsomejew 10mo ago

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flohofwoe 10mo ago
Here, educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_... The Red Army wasn't all that civilized either on their way to Berlin.
- justsomejew 10mo ago
  26 million people killed in Soviet Union. Jews massacred in Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine by the local population (not all of them participated, but your current friends ideological fathers did). Only in Leningrad's blocade 2 million people died. It was the Soviet Army which liberated Auschwitz, Soviet Army which crushed the nazi war machine starting from Stalingrad. And these are the main points which your nauseating antirussian propaganda pretends as if it does not exist. And the rest, some of it happened, some of it did not. And wikipedia is not a reliable source for historic events, itis full of propaganda as most educated people realize. [Just saw that this comment got hidden; if it was not so dangerous, one could have only laughed at how the "free speech" warriors want to suppress other people's views. Nothing new of course.]
  - mopsi 10mo ago
    Speaking of things people pretend not to exist, Russian historiography frames WWII as lasting from 1941 to 1945. The USSR conspired with the Nazis to divide Europe[1], invaded Poland from the east in cooperation with Germany[2], held a joint victory parade when Soviet and German forces met[3], murdered the Polish people in an industrial manner[4], and so forth. Later, it pretended that the war began only in 1941 and that none of this had happened. These events were officially acknowledged only in the early 1990s, in the final days of the USSR. And these were only the opening months of the war. Here is Soviet officer Leonid Rabichev giving a chilling description of the final months of the war in Prussia and the extent of Soviet atrocities against civilians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928 Stories like these are why the phrase "Soviet liberators" is used only sarcastically in Eastern Europe. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre