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Not sure about refugees, but we are for sure in dire need of migration from skilled workers - health care sector is an example. It's still too complicated to mi

by bulbar 11mo ago

Not sure about refugees, but we are for sure in dire need of migration from skilled workers - health care sector is an example. It's still too complicated to migrate and on the other hand it's to still to difficult to remove criminals. The former government improved the situation, but did not fully solve the problem.

Bombthecat 11mo ago
No skilled worker in their right mind will go to Europe/ Germany
- LoFiSamurai 11mo ago
  Why?
  - Bombthecat 11mo ago
    High taxes, low salary and the future will have even higher taxes to finance the pensions. But even before that, everyone I know didn't even consider Germany as a potential place. It's either UK, USA, china or even Malaysia.
    - watwut 11mo ago
      Lol.
throwaway_dang 11mo ago
What percentage of immigrants coming from those regions would you consider to be skilled migrants? Many parts of Africa have below 80% literacy rates[1] and that's in their respective language; coming to Europe would likely mean learning a new language as well as learning a completely foreign country. If we're speaking about Germany specifically, Germany didn't colonize as many places as the British, Dutch or French so they are unlikely to speak German. If you want skilled workers, why not simply train those workers locally? [1]: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/literacy-rate-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/literacy-...
- nicbou 11mo ago
  The large majority, since the requirements for non-refugees are basically to pay taxes and support themselves. Immigration is my job. If you want to be curious rather than judgemental we can talk about it.
- bulbar 11mo ago
  In addition what the other user said: It's not the average person that comes to Europe for work. The best educated, smartest people tend to come, because only they have the resources and capabilities to do so. For example, from the very few people I have ever met that migrated from Syria (not as refugees, but regular migration), two of them were into classical music and play multiple instruments on a level that they sometimes play on public events (graduation celebration of college and alike). They also made a PhD here (engineering and medical). There's also a guy from Africa I know doing his PhD in chemistry here at the moment. Those people are gravely missed in their home country. It's a big reason why such countries still struggle: Skilled people leave the country and migrate to Europe/US/Canada.
jasonvorhe 11mo ago
This is wrong. I used to work in cafes when I still lived in the city and two locations where close to hospitals and everyone I talked to complained about the risk of employing people with huge language barriers (mostly Ukrainians and Syrians from what I heard) in health related jobs because it has dire consequences if something gets lost in translation. No one of the higher ups cared and they just had to deal with while already being underpaid, overworked and exhausted.
- nicbou 11mo ago
  There just isn't enough people who are local and want to do this job for this pay. This happens in Germany but also in my home country. In Germany there is a whole industry around recruiting foreign nurses. I work in immigration and a few of my colleagues specialise in that. There are websites and initiatives just for that. It will get worse. This population is aging.
  - jasonvorhe 11mo ago
    That's only half true. You have lots of trained and experienced people willing to do this job despite the low pay because some of these people wouldn't function in a field where they couldn't help other people, even if they sacrifice their own health and financial situation for it. The issue lies with state subsidies for employing refugees which currently mainly targets Ukrainian workers, though they'll never outright say it: https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/unternehmen/arbeitskraefte/gefluechtete-beschaeftigen/foerderung-gefluechtete https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/unternehmen/arbeitskraefte/gef... If you have a job to offer you can now decide if you pay a German out of your own pocket or if you hire a Ukrainian who will end up being cheaper for you because the state supports you in doing so. Have seen this with bicycle mechanics, nurses, nursery homes, lots and lots of cafés. Goes without saying that I like Ukrainian people just as much as I like Germans, Syrians, Iranians, Russians, etc.
  - Amezarak 11mo ago
    I am continually befuddled that people unironically believe government policy should enable people to be paid below the market rate for their labor. Raise their pay!

by bulbar 11mo ago

Bombthecat 11mo ago

No skilled worker in their right mind will go to Europe/ Germany

LoFiSamurai 11mo ago
Why?
- Bombthecat 11mo ago
  High taxes, low salary and the future will have even higher taxes to finance the pensions. But even before that, everyone I know didn't even consider Germany as a potential place. It's either UK, USA, china or even Malaysia.
  - watwut 11mo ago
    Lol.

throwaway_dang 11mo ago

What percentage of immigrants coming from those regions would you consider to be skilled migrants? Many parts of Africa have below 80% literacy rates[1] and that's in their respective language; coming to Europe would likely mean learning a new language as well as learning a completely foreign country. If we're speaking about Germany specifically, Germany didn't colonize as many places as the British, Dutch or French so they are unlikely to speak German. If you want skilled workers, why not simply train those workers locally? [1]: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/literacy-rate-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/literacy-...

nicbou 11mo ago
The large majority, since the requirements for non-refugees are basically to pay taxes and support themselves. Immigration is my job. If you want to be curious rather than judgemental we can talk about it.
bulbar 11mo ago
In addition what the other user said: It's not the average person that comes to Europe for work. The best educated, smartest people tend to come, because only they have the resources and capabilities to do so. For example, from the very few people I have ever met that migrated from Syria (not as refugees, but regular migration), two of them were into classical music and play multiple instruments on a level that they sometimes play on public events (graduation celebration of college and alike). They also made a PhD here (engineering and medical). There's also a guy from Africa I know doing his PhD in chemistry here at the moment. Those people are gravely missed in their home country. It's a big reason why such countries still struggle: Skilled people leave the country and migrate to Europe/US/Canada.

jasonvorhe 11mo ago

This is wrong. I used to work in cafes when I still lived in the city and two locations where close to hospitals and everyone I talked to complained about the risk of employing people with huge language barriers (mostly Ukrainians and Syrians from what I heard) in health related jobs because it has dire consequences if something gets lost in translation. No one of the higher ups cared and they just had to deal with while already being underpaid, overworked and exhausted.

nicbou 11mo ago
There just isn't enough people who are local and want to do this job for this pay. This happens in Germany but also in my home country. In Germany there is a whole industry around recruiting foreign nurses. I work in immigration and a few of my colleagues specialise in that. There are websites and initiatives just for that. It will get worse. This population is aging.
- jasonvorhe 11mo ago
  That's only half true. You have lots of trained and experienced people willing to do this job despite the low pay because some of these people wouldn't function in a field where they couldn't help other people, even if they sacrifice their own health and financial situation for it. The issue lies with state subsidies for employing refugees which currently mainly targets Ukrainian workers, though they'll never outright say it: https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/unternehmen/arbeitskraefte/gefluechtete-beschaeftigen/foerderung-gefluechtete https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/unternehmen/arbeitskraefte/gef... If you have a job to offer you can now decide if you pay a German out of your own pocket or if you hire a Ukrainian who will end up being cheaper for you because the state supports you in doing so. Have seen this with bicycle mechanics, nurses, nursery homes, lots and lots of cafés. Goes without saying that I like Ukrainian people just as much as I like Germans, Syrians, Iranians, Russians, etc.
- Amezarak 11mo ago
  I am continually befuddled that people unironically believe government policy should enable people to be paid below the market rate for their labor. Raise their pay!