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I’m wonder how much longer Intel will be around. It seems to be dying a slow death like Kodak or IBM at this point.

by cebert 10mo ago

ks2048 10mo ago
"death" can be pretty slow - IBM has $60B in revenue and 270K employees.
- quotemstr 10mo ago
  When Shakespeare wrote "cowards die many times before their deaths", he had Intel in mind.
  - blinding-streak 10mo ago
    Username checks out
- ghaff 10mo ago
  And their financial/stock performance has been pretty good the past couple of years.
- seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
  I really have no idea how IBM is still in business, or the other big toxic techs like Oracle and Salesforce. Just goes to show I don’t know as much about the industry as I think.
  - seabrookmx 10mo ago
    They bought Red Hat, which has OpenShift and all their other "DIY Cloud" bits. This stuff is popular in government or old businesses that may have been slow to (or unable to for regulatory reasons) jump to AWS/GCP etc. To say nothing of the banks and others still using the IBM big iron.
    - i_am_a_peasant 10mo ago
      they’ve been partnering with nvidia to build large ML training clusters iirc last time i was in their building at a meetup a few weeks ago
    - hbogert 10mo ago
      The American hyper scalers are not necessarily the place to be. Modern can mean Non-hyper scalar as well. Can this sentiment just die please? Great that its working out for you and you replaced good sysadmins with aws admins, but it should not be the default strategy perse.
      - seabrookmx 10mo ago
        Why does this read like a personal attack? Do you have anything in my comment to refute? I didn't even use the word "modern." I actually agree the traditional cloud providers have lots of issues and aren't always the right choice, but the fact remains that offerings from Red Hat and the like are far more popular with older larger corporations than startups or "household name" tech companies like X, Netflix, etc.
        hbogert 10mo ago
        When you read your sentence: > This stuff is popular in government or old businesses that may have been slow to (or unable to for regulatory reasons) jump to AWS/GCP etc. I think it's fair to say that you think migrating to the hyperscalars is a thing a company should do. That's what my previous post was addressing
        seabrookmx 10mo ago
        I don't. What I'm saying is that the vast majority of companies are, and many of these business using IBM/RedHat/etc. products would follow the tide if not for other things in their way. I've seen it first hand where a fortune 500 kept their large IBM and SAP footprint (because the cost to migrate to something else was huge) and used AWS EKS for all the new apps. Personally I think at their scale, self hosting and creating more interoperability between the stacks would have been a better investment but I was not CTO or an SVP so I didn't get to make those decisions.
  - zipy124 10mo ago
    Oracle basically runs HR and finance services for like every large company in Europe. They also run a scary amount of healthcare stuff and other government tech type stuff. It sucks but I see why they do it. If you don't have the technical/managerial talent to handle procurement then it's the safest bet.
  - toast0 10mo ago
    IBM still sells mainframes and similar. And has a giant consulting and service business. Their purchse of RedHat flows into consulting. Their purchase of Softlayer (rebranded into IBM Cloud) is more IBM owned, customer operated computing, a business IBM has been in since forever.
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chanux 10mo ago
Lindy[1] will make sure it stays around for a while. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect
- kqr 10mo ago
  Although you're correct that it would be too soon to prophesize their death, I want to clarify that Lindy ensures correlation, not causation.
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roboror 10mo ago
Intel still sells a ton of silicon.
hearsathought 10mo ago
> I’m wonder how much longer Intel will be around. The government took an ownership stake in the company. Nvidia invested a few billion in the company. It's not going anywhere.
- voganmother42 10mo ago
  Intel is going nowhere. They are a gov chosen winner, so it is a safe bet they will exist for as long as they are a useful political puppet. Why or how would they become more competitive?

I’m wonder how much longer Intel will be around. It seems to be dying a slow death like Kodak or IBM at this point.

by cebert 10mo ago

I’m wonder how much longer Intel will be around. It seems to be dying a slow death like Kodak or IBM at this point.

ks2048 10mo ago

"death" can be pretty slow - IBM has $60B in revenue and 270K employees.

quotemstr 10mo ago
When Shakespeare wrote "cowards die many times before their deaths", he had Intel in mind.
- blinding-streak 10mo ago
  Username checks out
ghaff 10mo ago
And their financial/stock performance has been pretty good the past couple of years.
seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
I really have no idea how IBM is still in business, or the other big toxic techs like Oracle and Salesforce. Just goes to show I don’t know as much about the industry as I think.
- seabrookmx 10mo ago
  They bought Red Hat, which has OpenShift and all their other "DIY Cloud" bits. This stuff is popular in government or old businesses that may have been slow to (or unable to for regulatory reasons) jump to AWS/GCP etc. To say nothing of the banks and others still using the IBM big iron.
  - i_am_a_peasant 10mo ago
    they’ve been partnering with nvidia to build large ML training clusters iirc last time i was in their building at a meetup a few weeks ago
  - hbogert 10mo ago
    The American hyper scalers are not necessarily the place to be. Modern can mean Non-hyper scalar as well. Can this sentiment just die please? Great that its working out for you and you replaced good sysadmins with aws admins, but it should not be the default strategy perse.
    - seabrookmx 10mo ago
      Why does this read like a personal attack? Do you have anything in my comment to refute? I didn't even use the word "modern." I actually agree the traditional cloud providers have lots of issues and aren't always the right choice, but the fact remains that offerings from Red Hat and the like are far more popular with older larger corporations than startups or "household name" tech companies like X, Netflix, etc.
      - hbogert 10mo ago
        When you read your sentence: > This stuff is popular in government or old businesses that may have been slow to (or unable to for regulatory reasons) jump to AWS/GCP etc. I think it's fair to say that you think migrating to the hyperscalars is a thing a company should do. That's what my previous post was addressing
        seabrookmx 10mo ago
        I don't. What I'm saying is that the vast majority of companies are, and many of these business using IBM/RedHat/etc. products would follow the tide if not for other things in their way. I've seen it first hand where a fortune 500 kept their large IBM and SAP footprint (because the cost to migrate to something else was huge) and used AWS EKS for all the new apps. Personally I think at their scale, self hosting and creating more interoperability between the stacks would have been a better investment but I was not CTO or an SVP so I didn't get to make those decisions.
- zipy124 10mo ago
  Oracle basically runs HR and finance services for like every large company in Europe. They also run a scary amount of healthcare stuff and other government tech type stuff. It sucks but I see why they do it. If you don't have the technical/managerial talent to handle procurement then it's the safest bet.
- toast0 10mo ago
  IBM still sells mainframes and similar. And has a giant consulting and service business. Their purchse of RedHat flows into consulting. Their purchase of Softlayer (rebranded into IBM Cloud) is more IBM owned, customer operated computing, a business IBM has been in since forever.
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chanux 10mo ago

Lindy[1] will make sure it stays around for a while. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect

kqr 10mo ago
Although you're correct that it would be too soon to prophesize their death, I want to clarify that Lindy ensures correlation, not causation.

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roboror 10mo ago

Intel still sells a ton of silicon.

hearsathought 10mo ago

> I’m wonder how much longer Intel will be around. The government took an ownership stake in the company. Nvidia invested a few billion in the company. It's not going anywhere.

voganmother42 10mo ago
Intel is going nowhere. They are a gov chosen winner, so it is a safe bet they will exist for as long as they are a useful political puppet. Why or how would they become more competitive?