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Absolutely. A US user sends you money, you send them product. US customs takes the product at the border, and if you transit the border expect to be arrested.

by toast0 11mo ago

Absolutely. A US user sends you money, you send them product. US customs takes the product at the border, and if you transit the border expect to be arrested. Your customer should expect to be arrested as well. Maybe you get put on a list so US banks can't send you money anymore too.

embedding-shape 11mo ago
So same thing happens here, except we're talking packets, and going across wires. They got caught using illegal packets across wires in the country in question, so they get fined. If you have legal presence, then that entity gets the fine. Makes perfect sense for me in both cases.
- toast0 11mo ago
  If they have presence, then yeah. You have to follow the laws everywhere you have presence. Otherwise you get arrested. (more or less)
  - 1718627440 11mo ago
    That's why the EU requires presence in the EU, when you want to process EU data. This IS exactly what happens here.
    - trothamel 11mo ago
      If you don't have a presence in the EU, then the EU can't require anything of you.
      - schubidubiduba 11mo ago
        X does have a presence in the EU though, because it wants to make money by selling EU citizens data.
        toast0 11mo ago
        That's not indication of presence. You can do that from across the border. X does have presence in the EU, but it's because they have offices/employees, equipment, and accounts housed there. The EU may say anyone who deals in the data of their citizens is subject to their jurisdiction, but enforcement on those entities without actual presence will be difficult.
        ben_w 11mo ago
        > The EU may say anyone who deals in the data of their citizens is subject to their jurisdiction, but enforcement on those entities without actual presence will be difficult. Not particularly difficult. Like Brasil already did, and for similar reasons, the EU can go after everything Musk owns. Even with Tesla sales dropping, they're not zero. Starlink is currently available.
disgruntledphd2 11mo ago
> Maybe you get put on a list so US banks can't send you money anymore too. This is a good example, because the US government routinely passes laws that prevent people from transacting using the dollar system (which is basically the world financial system) and this is OK, but the EU requiring companies that operate in their market to obey different laws is not OK? I don't really get the logic here, but perhaps I'm missing something.

by toast0 11mo ago

embedding-shape 11mo ago

So same thing happens here, except we're talking packets, and going across wires. They got caught using illegal packets across wires in the country in question, so they get fined. If you have legal presence, then that entity gets the fine. Makes perfect sense for me in both cases.

toast0 11mo ago
If they have presence, then yeah. You have to follow the laws everywhere you have presence. Otherwise you get arrested. (more or less)
- 1718627440 11mo ago
  That's why the EU requires presence in the EU, when you want to process EU data. This IS exactly what happens here.
  - trothamel 11mo ago
    If you don't have a presence in the EU, then the EU can't require anything of you.
    - schubidubiduba 11mo ago
      X does have a presence in the EU though, because it wants to make money by selling EU citizens data.
      - toast0 11mo ago
        That's not indication of presence. You can do that from across the border. X does have presence in the EU, but it's because they have offices/employees, equipment, and accounts housed there. The EU may say anyone who deals in the data of their citizens is subject to their jurisdiction, but enforcement on those entities without actual presence will be difficult.
        ben_w 11mo ago
        > The EU may say anyone who deals in the data of their citizens is subject to their jurisdiction, but enforcement on those entities without actual presence will be difficult. Not particularly difficult. Like Brasil already did, and for similar reasons, the EU can go after everything Musk owns. Even with Tesla sales dropping, they're not zero. Starlink is currently available.

disgruntledphd2 11mo ago

> Maybe you get put on a list so US banks can't send you money anymore too. This is a good example, because the US government routinely passes laws that prevent people from transacting using the dollar system (which is basically the world financial system) and this is OK, but the EU requiring companies that operate in their market to obey different laws is not OK? I don't really get the logic here, but perhaps I'm missing something.