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This board uses the CIX CP8180 SoC, which has worse performance and significantly worse efficiency than even Apple's M1 chip. See Jeff Geerling's review of a de
by ndiddy 11mo ago
This board uses the CIX CP8180 SoC, which has worse performance and significantly worse efficiency than even Apple's M1 chip. See Jeff Geerling's review of a desktop with this SoC: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/minisforum-stuffs-entire-arm-homelab-ms-r1 https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/minisforum-stuffs-ent... If you need an ARM Linux laptop, it's probably a better choice to get a used M1 or M2 MacBook Pro and put Fedora Asahi on it.
- cmrdporcupine 11mo agoYeah, or if you don't mind something with performance this low, the RK3588 has much better kernel support (I have a couple here) and there's some companies offering laptop format for those now. But as much as I love the RK3588 it's very much in the "low perf utility SBC" world than "good performing general PC". I use my two boards for NAS, Plex, Forgejo CI builders, etc. I do recall that Jeff Geerling I think had some followup with that board that perhaps there could be firmware changes that improve the power efficiency later maybe?
- bpye 11mo agoI have an MNT Pocket Reform with an RK3588 and I do like the device, but yeah, it can be a little sluggish at times. It is very usable for email, editing documents, code review, etc - but it will struggle if you're trying to multitask heavily. This CIX SoC is a fair bit faster than the RK3588 though I believe.
- cmrdporcupine 11mo agoThere's an RK3688 coming next year (hopefully?) which looks like a perf bump.
- chrisweekly 11mo agoApple hardware, yes. Fedora Asahi, maybe. OrbStack^1 provides awesome flexibility and DX/UX, w/ minimal footprint. 1. https://orbstack.dev/ https://orbstack.dev/
- signa11 11mo agoit doesn’t do gui afaik.
- signa11 11mo agowhat’s the reason for downvotes ? has orbstack started doing gui’s now ?
- metadat 11mo agoOrbstack is just a less bug-ridden implementation of Docker4Mac, not really pertinent or earth shattering for running desktop apps on the daily. What's wrong with Asahi?
- dpc_01234 11mo agoIs _everything_ working? Last time I put Linux on a x86_64 Air Book I was given for free, everything was working _except_ resume from suspend would crash and reboot the system, and from the reading on it, it seems it is a know issue due to T4 security chip or something. Made me believe that if older chips doesn't yet work, the newer ones probably have more caveats. Or am I wrong? Generally I'm reluctant investing in Linux on a hardware from company more or less hostile to it, but I also don't have any need for ARM laptop, and I'm happy with my Framework.
- philistine 11mo ago> more or less hostile to it I wouldn't say the problem is hostility. It's complete non-interest. Apple wisely allowed us to load a non-chain-of-trust OS while maintaining the chain of trust in macOS, which is an incredible advancement still unmatched by other manufacturers. And that's it. They have done zero work to accommodate Linux. At all. Perhaps if Microsoft ever figures out that NT used to run on more than one arch, Apple will revive Boot Camp for Windows and deem it useful to include Linux this time?
- thewebguyd 11mo ago
- nottorp 11mo agoBut has Asashi managed to have support for bells and whistles like graphics acceleration and sleep by now? This SoC may actually have Linux drivers.
- bpye 11mo agoGraphics acceleration yes - and more fully featured than Panfrost for Mali at that, but I think sleep is still just s2idle.
- dllu 11mo agoIt does have graphics acceleration and you can even play AAA titles with fex [1] since last year. But many bells and whistles still don't work --- for example, the video decoding hardware, proper sleep, etc. Anyway, I've been using it on my Macbook Air M2 and it works fine for my use case [3]. Pretty smooth. [1] https://rosenzweig.io/blog/aaa-gaming-on-m1.html https://rosenzweig.io/blog/aaa-gaming-on-m1.html [3] https://daniel.lawrence.lu/blog/2024-12-01-asahi-linux-with-sway-on-the-macbook-air-m2/ https://daniel.lawrence.lu/blog/2024-12-01-asahi-linux-with-...
- nottorp 11mo ago> proper sleep :( The one feature that only works properly when using both Apple hardware and software...
- fy20 11mo agoFrom 2017-2023 I had Thinkpads and some Acer which was well supported by Linux and sleep was the worse part. On numerous occasions across different devices I'd put the laptop to sleep, put it in my bag, and pull it out in a coffee shop to find it was on and now the battery is down to 50%. Why is sleep so hard?
- nottorp 11mo agoWell it's being discussed on here in most linux laptops thread. On x86 it's because linux relies on the acpi tables which vendors don't bother to do properly. On Apple ARM hardware/linux it's because Apple don't bother releasing any docs. On other ARM SoCs... not sure. In theory every vendor wants volume orders for phones so they should be able to sleep properly? It's sad if you're an Apple hardware + software slave and used to just closing the lid on your laptop and having it basically lose no battery for days, especially since ARM.
- 650REDHAIR 11mo agoI want to support and encourage companies that aren't Apple.
- beeflet 11mo agoAsashi is a project built on sand. I'm not giving apple a dime
- Melonai 11mo agoMaybe, but it works quite well for me, so to each their own! :) Can't seem to get DP Alt Mode to work on my used 2021 M1 Pro though, even though it's listed as supported with an asterisk, maybe someone here has managed it? (Also, if you're buying used and wiping MacOS are you truly giving Apple a dime? I guess it's a matter of perspective.)
- nine_k 11mo agoDon't give Apple a dime, buy second-hand Apple hardware. Asahi can make a lot of sense on a Mac Mini, where proper sleep is not that important, but which could be an excellent small build server or a local ML inference box, for rather moderate money.
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