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Just imagine what we will find the day where the truth will leak about who and why things like "Chat Control" are pushed down our throat despite going against c

by greatgib 11mo ago

Just imagine what we will find the day where the truth will leak about who and why things like "Chat Control" are pushed down our throat despite going against citizens will.

amarcheschi 11mo ago
There's really not much else to leak, a lot was already being published. I've prepared a uni exam of ethics in it about chat control and I was so angry and felt so disempowered when writing it https://www.ftm.eu/articles/ashton-kutchers-non-profit-start-up-makes-millions-from-fighting-child-abuse-online https://www.ftm.eu/articles/ashton-kutchers-non-profit-start... https://www.ftm.eu/articles/ashton-kutcher-s-anti-childabuse-software-below-par https://www.ftm.eu/articles/ashton-kutcher-s-anti-childabuse... https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the... https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/29/europol-sought-unlimited-data-access-in-online-child-sexual-abuse-regulation/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/29/europol-sought-unlimite... https://balkaninsight.com/2024/10/11/europol-revising-conflict-of-interest-screening-after-birn-investigation/ https://balkaninsight.com/2024/10/11/europol-revising-confli...
- greatgib 11mo ago
  I might be wrong, but I think that what these articles are showing is just the tip of the Iceberg. Like that "children protection" associations would vouch for such a ruling or something like that would look like a no-brainer. But the real question is who lead them, who created or fund them, who is driving the coordination in the back. If we compare with the current "US polluters" case, if you were the target of their lobbying, you would just see a big number of different groups lobbying you (in one case it will be Total, another time "small startups" that appears unconnected together, another time an economic celebrity or rich person, another time that would be the topics at conference you attend, ...). It will look like that it is a global trend of disconnected entities. But, in the back, there is a single interest group that is pulling strings in the shadow in an unified way. Same as what Russia is often doing at big scale to try to shape opinion in its favor.
  - amarcheschi 11mo ago
    Let's say I have no evidence, but I wouldn't be surprised
  - danaris 11mo ago
    It's tempting to believe in that kind of a conspiracy—the kind where there's a single person or group pulling the strings, a single entity to blame, and possibly to eliminate, in order to solve many of the world's woes—but the truth is, it's unlikely to actually be something like that. A conspiracy isn't necessary when the incentives align such that a group of similar people have reason to work toward such a goal independently. And because the problem is those incentives, not the individuals involved, even if you were to somehow change the mind of, imprison, or assassinate everyone pushing for these things today, more would spring up soon after. The only way to stop this from happening is to remove the power base that those entities use to make these pushes, and remove the mechanisms that allow them to do so legally. Make it impossible to amass that much wealth. Make the worst kinds of lobbying illegal. Ruthlessly enforce antitrust laws, preventing hyperconsolidation like we see today. Make the very idea of a multibillionaire impossible.
    - greatgib 11mo ago
      I'm not into conspiracy usually, but regarding everything that was exposed in recent years, I would easily see a conspiracy there. I'm not necessarily say that it is just a single person or company, but that it is likely that a group of entities is working together on this for a hidden interest. Just look what happened with the "vote" of the council, each time it became too public that a vote was coming and that some countries would publicly be against due to public pressure, they preferred to "withdraw" the proposal instead of going to the public vote that could have been a strong "no". And they did that multiple times. And it was obvious that the reason to not go to the vote is to be able to try to pass it again. Then, at least the representatives of the countries involved "plotted" against us in a conspiracy, to have the discussion and the decision voted in secret in order to be sure that it will pass. And eventually that no country like Germany could be pointed as individually have voted "yes" despite its population will.
- tanepiper 11mo ago
  Damn, I did not have "Ashton Kutcher destroys European liberty" on my bingo card
reactordev 11mo ago
Every piece of anti-consumer, anti-user, moat carving policy - has been a result of lobbyists getting to grease the skids of aspiring politicians whose traditional fund raising strategies have run dry. Be wary of any politician that does not have the mob of the people on their side.

Just imagine what we will find the day where the truth will leak about who and why things like "Chat Control" are pushed down our throat despite going against citizens will.

amarcheschi 11mo ago

There's really not much else to leak, a lot was already being published. I've prepared a uni exam of ethics in it about chat control and I was so angry and felt so disempowered when writing it https://www.ftm.eu/articles/ashton-kutchers-non-profit-start-up-makes-millions-from-fighting-child-abuse-online https://www.ftm.eu/articles/ashton-kutchers-non-profit-start... https://www.ftm.eu/articles/ashton-kutcher-s-anti-childabuse-software-below-par https://www.ftm.eu/articles/ashton-kutcher-s-anti-childabuse... https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the... https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/29/europol-sought-unlimited-data-access-in-online-child-sexual-abuse-regulation/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/29/europol-sought-unlimite... https://balkaninsight.com/2024/10/11/europol-revising-conflict-of-interest-screening-after-birn-investigation/ https://balkaninsight.com/2024/10/11/europol-revising-confli...

greatgib 11mo ago
I might be wrong, but I think that what these articles are showing is just the tip of the Iceberg. Like that "children protection" associations would vouch for such a ruling or something like that would look like a no-brainer. But the real question is who lead them, who created or fund them, who is driving the coordination in the back. If we compare with the current "US polluters" case, if you were the target of their lobbying, you would just see a big number of different groups lobbying you (in one case it will be Total, another time "small startups" that appears unconnected together, another time an economic celebrity or rich person, another time that would be the topics at conference you attend, ...). It will look like that it is a global trend of disconnected entities. But, in the back, there is a single interest group that is pulling strings in the shadow in an unified way. Same as what Russia is often doing at big scale to try to shape opinion in its favor.
- amarcheschi 11mo ago
  Let's say I have no evidence, but I wouldn't be surprised
- danaris 11mo ago
  It's tempting to believe in that kind of a conspiracy—the kind where there's a single person or group pulling the strings, a single entity to blame, and possibly to eliminate, in order to solve many of the world's woes—but the truth is, it's unlikely to actually be something like that. A conspiracy isn't necessary when the incentives align such that a group of similar people have reason to work toward such a goal independently. And because the problem is those incentives, not the individuals involved, even if you were to somehow change the mind of, imprison, or assassinate everyone pushing for these things today, more would spring up soon after. The only way to stop this from happening is to remove the power base that those entities use to make these pushes, and remove the mechanisms that allow them to do so legally. Make it impossible to amass that much wealth. Make the worst kinds of lobbying illegal. Ruthlessly enforce antitrust laws, preventing hyperconsolidation like we see today. Make the very idea of a multibillionaire impossible.
  - greatgib 11mo ago
    I'm not into conspiracy usually, but regarding everything that was exposed in recent years, I would easily see a conspiracy there. I'm not necessarily say that it is just a single person or company, but that it is likely that a group of entities is working together on this for a hidden interest. Just look what happened with the "vote" of the council, each time it became too public that a vote was coming and that some countries would publicly be against due to public pressure, they preferred to "withdraw" the proposal instead of going to the public vote that could have been a strong "no". And they did that multiple times. And it was obvious that the reason to not go to the vote is to be able to try to pass it again. Then, at least the representatives of the countries involved "plotted" against us in a conspiracy, to have the discussion and the decision voted in secret in order to be sure that it will pass. And eventually that no country like Germany could be pointed as individually have voted "yes" despite its population will.
tanepiper 11mo ago
Damn, I did not have "Ashton Kutcher destroys European liberty" on my bingo card

reactordev 11mo ago

Every piece of anti-consumer, anti-user, moat carving policy - has been a result of lobbyists getting to grease the skids of aspiring politicians whose traditional fund raising strategies have run dry. Be wary of any politician that does not have the mob of the people on their side.