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Could there be a worse news regarding where content production is headed? Netflix production is trash and all they care is about metrics like viewers who have w

Could there be a worse news regarding where content production is headed? Netflix production is trash and all they care is about metrics like viewers who have watched at least x% of certain content. Cuz if they have, and they accumulate y minutes of viewing, they are unlikely to cancel. This is to the point that they are exclusively making dumbed-down content that can be good background noise while viewers scroll through Instagram feeds. They have little taste, or any motivation to bring good stories out. HBO might not be perfect, but at least its development process still begins with the story and the enthusiasm of the showrunner.

apsurd 11mo ago
I agree so much with this. And I immediately think about how I have an ongoing Netflix subscription and I have it because after having cancelled due to the complete shit trash they produce, my dad asked me about how to see the Tyson vs Jake Paul fight and it was then that I knew I was cooked. I am a subscriber and my dad didn't like the fight but is happy to have been part of the experience of seeing it. I want to in-principle not pay money into this trash. But "humanity" seems to like to want to witness this trash. And I and my extended family are included! oh dear
- parineum 11mo ago
  It's so annoying that you totally _have_ to subscribe to this trash product because society is literally forcing you. I know you definitely don't like it but you feel like you have to watch it or you're wasting the money they forced you to spend. Keep up the good fight and I hope you make it out safe.
  - walterbell 11mo ago
    > totally _have_ to subscribe to this trash product For cultural context, it's enough to subscribe for one month, once or twice per year, to catch up on a few movies or episodes of popular series. If a series is good enough for longer viewing and subscription, then the product has earned its keep.
thot_experiment 11mo ago
I highly recommend the website "youtube.com" there's a lot of content on there that's excellent. I am never for want of something to watch, it sort of seems like an absolute golden age of content production to me.
- parineum 11mo ago
  I'm trying to watch long form cinematic content, not a 10 minute diy video for turning my toaster into a flamethrower with three minutes of ads and "smash that like button" interspersed. There wre a few YouTube channels I like but they are all educational where one guy talks to the camera about a thing. Is there decent fiction on YouTube? I haven't seen any.
  - prophesi 11mo ago
    I think that's more of an issue of discovery. If I wanted decent fiction, I would actually prefer Apple's catalogue of Sci-Fi shows over anything I can find on Netflix these days. While with Youtube, you can find hidden gems outside their algorithm. In fact, I'd recommend not abiding by the algorithm of any platform and seek outside sources for finding shows you'd enjoy. Each platform has the same goal to retain your attention.
  - thot_experiment 11mo ago
    Get adblock and sponsorblock, or just yt-dlp it and let it cut out all the cruft, watching youtube with the callouts and sponsor segements left in sucks but we have the technology to solve the problem. I would believe there's good long form fiction content, I've listened to fiction podcasts with sound effects so there's at least that. I mostly watch multiple hour long non-fiction content so there's definitely lots of long form available, but I'm not sure how much fiction there is.
  - aspenmayer 11mo ago
    The lengths vary, and the channel only recently started their own first-party content production (rather than licensed third-party content), but that being said, the sci-fi channel DUST is a longtime favorite of mine for fiction on YouTube. The quality level is consistently high, if not quite Hollywood budget. https://www.youtube.com/@watchdust https://www.youtube.com/@watchdust
burningChrome 11mo ago
HBO cancelled Perry Mason, one of the better done noir detective series. That was kind of the nail in the coffin for me. I still get it free because of my AT&T subscription, but I can't argue that Netflix has really come out with anything really worth watching either - Department Q and Mindhunter are only two that I think of that were decent. I agree that the majority of stuff on streaming services is complete garbage and nothing is really "binge worthy" like it used to be. The one thing I used to love about Netlfix was going back and watching old movies like Chinatown or To Live and Die in LA. Those are all gone now, replaced with its own produced content that I just think isn't in the same league.
- lotsofpulp 11mo ago
  HBO died many years ago when ATT fired all the executives that had the taste and vision to make HBO what it was. They probably had some half decent stuff in the pipeline, but by now, I imagine there is no influence from the HBO of yore.
  - kranke155 11mo ago
    Those people left for Apple. Reportedly.
  - calgoo 11mo ago
    To me it died when they changed acceptable series length to 6 episodes on GoT. I really miss the days of 24 episodes, split into 12 episodes runs. I dont care that you spent the income of a small nation on the 6 episodes, I prefer you spread that money on 12 or more episodes so we can get story telling again. Today's "TV shows" are more like TV movies that where split in into 3 1 hour runs.
- lastdong 11mo ago
  Thank you for mentioning Department Q and Mindhunter — these were amazing. Netflix has a lot of content some of it is actually really good.
  - 11mo ago
karel-3d 11mo ago
I prefer Netflix to Oracle-ied Paramount. I don't want Ellisons to own more than they do. Netflix is boring, Ellisons are evil.
- achow 11mo ago
  Annapurna Pictures is owned by Megan Ellison. The studio have produced Oscar nominated marquee films like Her, Zero Dark Thirty, American Hustle.
  - actionfromafar 11mo ago
    Well that settles it. Shut up and take my democracy.
  - scheeseman486 11mo ago
    Zero Dark Thirty, you say?
    - steveBK123 11mo ago
      The 2010s Black Hawk Down
    - newsclues 11mo ago
      CIA propaganda to whitewash torture
  - johnbellone 11mo ago
    That studio has produced a lot of great video games, too. But we need more variety in ownership. Not everything can be owned by conservative leaning billionaires.
    - mcphage 11mo ago
      > Not everything can be owned by conservative leaning billionaires. Well, it can be, that’s the problem :-(. But it would really, really suck.
another_twist 11mo ago
Trash ? The Diplomat has as good a production value as any. So does Bridgerton. Adolescence is basically a single shot marvel. Others - Stranger Things, Money Heist, Black Doves. Not to mention their true crime documentaries. Warner Brothers makes quality content. I think this is an almost perfect fit.
- spooky_deep 11mo ago
  None of those are close to peak HBO content sorry.
  - lukeschlather 11mo ago
    I would agree. However, I think Kaos, Sirens, and Sweet Tooth are as good as anything I've seen on HBO.
  - omnimus 11mo ago
    Ripley is HBO material but its miniseries that was probably bought as it is.
- piva00 11mo ago
  Production is good but not great, The Diplomat is quite melodramatic going too much into soap opera territory. Money Heist is completely a soap opera. Not saying that those aren't good productions but they aren't on par with what HBO used to deliver (True Detective, The Wire, Sopranos, etc.), notwithstanding the leap of faiths HBO take sometimes with stuff like The Rehearsal, and How To With John Wilson. Netflix is very much formulaic, cinematography of Netflix shows is also quite bland/generified.
  - kranke155 11mo ago
    Netflix shows are forced to become soap operas because although they might have the budgets approaching prestige TV, Netflix might force lengths that push the story into the soap format.
  - steveBK123 11mo ago
mgh2 11mo ago
If they get bought, Apple could be the only lead for quality content.
NedF 11mo ago
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boogieknite 11mo ago
maybe things have changed but Netflix has thrown mindblowing amounts at famous people like Howard and Fincher. makes me the slightly hopeful we see another production from the twisted mind of Larry David. or at least the release of his cancelled doc
watwut 11mo ago
I like netflix content generally. I havent had issue to find something to watch. And they have a lot of good dubbing, so I use it for foreign language traing too.

apsurd 11mo ago

I agree so much with this. And I immediately think about how I have an ongoing Netflix subscription and I have it because after having cancelled due to the complete shit trash they produce, my dad asked me about how to see the Tyson vs Jake Paul fight and it was then that I knew I was cooked. I am a subscriber and my dad didn't like the fight but is happy to have been part of the experience of seeing it. I want to in-principle not pay money into this trash. But "humanity" seems to like to want to witness this trash. And I and my extended family are included! oh dear

parineum 11mo ago
It's so annoying that you totally _have_ to subscribe to this trash product because society is literally forcing you. I know you definitely don't like it but you feel like you have to watch it or you're wasting the money they forced you to spend. Keep up the good fight and I hope you make it out safe.
- walterbell 11mo ago
  > totally _have_ to subscribe to this trash product For cultural context, it's enough to subscribe for one month, once or twice per year, to catch up on a few movies or episodes of popular series. If a series is good enough for longer viewing and subscription, then the product has earned its keep.

thot_experiment 11mo ago

I highly recommend the website "youtube.com" there's a lot of content on there that's excellent. I am never for want of something to watch, it sort of seems like an absolute golden age of content production to me.

parineum 11mo ago
I'm trying to watch long form cinematic content, not a 10 minute diy video for turning my toaster into a flamethrower with three minutes of ads and "smash that like button" interspersed. There wre a few YouTube channels I like but they are all educational where one guy talks to the camera about a thing. Is there decent fiction on YouTube? I haven't seen any.
- prophesi 11mo ago
  I think that's more of an issue of discovery. If I wanted decent fiction, I would actually prefer Apple's catalogue of Sci-Fi shows over anything I can find on Netflix these days. While with Youtube, you can find hidden gems outside their algorithm. In fact, I'd recommend not abiding by the algorithm of any platform and seek outside sources for finding shows you'd enjoy. Each platform has the same goal to retain your attention.
- thot_experiment 11mo ago
  Get adblock and sponsorblock, or just yt-dlp it and let it cut out all the cruft, watching youtube with the callouts and sponsor segements left in sucks but we have the technology to solve the problem. I would believe there's good long form fiction content, I've listened to fiction podcasts with sound effects so there's at least that. I mostly watch multiple hour long non-fiction content so there's definitely lots of long form available, but I'm not sure how much fiction there is.
- aspenmayer 11mo ago
  The lengths vary, and the channel only recently started their own first-party content production (rather than licensed third-party content), but that being said, the sci-fi channel DUST is a longtime favorite of mine for fiction on YouTube. The quality level is consistently high, if not quite Hollywood budget. https://www.youtube.com/@watchdust https://www.youtube.com/@watchdust

burningChrome 11mo ago

HBO cancelled Perry Mason, one of the better done noir detective series. That was kind of the nail in the coffin for me. I still get it free because of my AT&T subscription, but I can't argue that Netflix has really come out with anything really worth watching either - Department Q and Mindhunter are only two that I think of that were decent. I agree that the majority of stuff on streaming services is complete garbage and nothing is really "binge worthy" like it used to be. The one thing I used to love about Netlfix was going back and watching old movies like Chinatown or To Live and Die in LA. Those are all gone now, replaced with its own produced content that I just think isn't in the same league.

lotsofpulp 11mo ago
HBO died many years ago when ATT fired all the executives that had the taste and vision to make HBO what it was. They probably had some half decent stuff in the pipeline, but by now, I imagine there is no influence from the HBO of yore.
- kranke155 11mo ago
  Those people left for Apple. Reportedly.
- calgoo 11mo ago
  To me it died when they changed acceptable series length to 6 episodes on GoT. I really miss the days of 24 episodes, split into 12 episodes runs. I dont care that you spent the income of a small nation on the 6 episodes, I prefer you spread that money on 12 or more episodes so we can get story telling again. Today's "TV shows" are more like TV movies that where split in into 3 1 hour runs.
lastdong 11mo ago
Thank you for mentioning Department Q and Mindhunter — these were amazing. Netflix has a lot of content some of it is actually really good.
- 11mo ago

karel-3d 11mo ago

I prefer Netflix to Oracle-ied Paramount. I don't want Ellisons to own more than they do. Netflix is boring, Ellisons are evil.

achow 11mo ago
Annapurna Pictures is owned by Megan Ellison. The studio have produced Oscar nominated marquee films like Her, Zero Dark Thirty, American Hustle.
- actionfromafar 11mo ago
  Well that settles it. Shut up and take my democracy.
- scheeseman486 11mo ago
  Zero Dark Thirty, you say?
  - steveBK123 11mo ago
    The 2010s Black Hawk Down
  - newsclues 11mo ago
    CIA propaganda to whitewash torture
- johnbellone 11mo ago
  That studio has produced a lot of great video games, too. But we need more variety in ownership. Not everything can be owned by conservative leaning billionaires.
  - mcphage 11mo ago
    > Not everything can be owned by conservative leaning billionaires. Well, it can be, that’s the problem :-(. But it would really, really suck.

another_twist 11mo ago

Trash ? The Diplomat has as good a production value as any. So does Bridgerton. Adolescence is basically a single shot marvel. Others - Stranger Things, Money Heist, Black Doves. Not to mention their true crime documentaries. Warner Brothers makes quality content. I think this is an almost perfect fit.

spooky_deep 11mo ago
None of those are close to peak HBO content sorry.
- lukeschlather 11mo ago
  I would agree. However, I think Kaos, Sirens, and Sweet Tooth are as good as anything I've seen on HBO.
- omnimus 11mo ago
  Ripley is HBO material but its miniseries that was probably bought as it is.
piva00 11mo ago
Production is good but not great, The Diplomat is quite melodramatic going too much into soap opera territory. Money Heist is completely a soap opera. Not saying that those aren't good productions but they aren't on par with what HBO used to deliver (True Detective, The Wire, Sopranos, etc.), notwithstanding the leap of faiths HBO take sometimes with stuff like The Rehearsal, and How To With John Wilson. Netflix is very much formulaic, cinematography of Netflix shows is also quite bland/generified.
- kranke155 11mo ago
  Netflix shows are forced to become soap operas because although they might have the budgets approaching prestige TV, Netflix might force lengths that push the story into the soap format.
- steveBK123 11mo ago

mgh2 11mo ago

If they get bought, Apple could be the only lead for quality content.

NedF 11mo ago

[dead]

boogieknite 11mo ago

maybe things have changed but Netflix has thrown mindblowing amounts at famous people like Howard and Fincher. makes me the slightly hopeful we see another production from the twisted mind of Larry David. or at least the release of his cancelled doc

watwut 11mo ago

I like netflix content generally. I havent had issue to find something to watch. And they have a lot of good dubbing, so I use it for foreign language traing too.