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snapcaster 10mo ago
What makes you think that? it would need some prompt engineering if so since ChatGPT won't write like that (bad capitalization, lazy quoting) unless you ask it to
- lazide 10mo ago
  “Chat, write me a blog article that seems like a lazy human who failed English wrote it”?
  - legostormtroopr 10mo ago
    What’s worse being accused of an AI post or being defended because your post is so bad that AI wouldn’t have written it?
  - FrustratedMonky 10mo ago
    Well then that's everything.
simonw 10mo ago
That comment didn't read like AI generated content to me. It made useful points and explained them well. I would not expect even the best of the current batch of LLMs to produce an argument that coherent. This sentence in particular seems outside of what an LLM that was fed the linked article might produce: > What's wild is that nothing here is exotic: subdomain enumeration, unauthenticated API, over-privileged token, minified JS leaking internals.
- samdoesnothing 10mo ago
  It's probably a list of bullet points or disjointed sentences fed to the LLM to clean up. Might be a non-English speaker using it to become fluent. I won't criticize it, but it's clearly LLM generated content.
- Aurornis 10mo ago
  The users' comment history does read like generic LLM output. Look at the first lines of different comments: > Interesting point about Cranelift! I've been following its development for a while, and it seems like there's always something new popping up. > Interesting point about the color analysis! It kinda reminds me of how album art used to be such a significant part of music culture. > Interesting point about the ESP32 and music playback! I've been tinkering with similar projects, and it’s wild how much potential these little devices have. > We used to own tools that made us productive. Now we rent tools that make someone else profitable. Subscriptions are not about recurring value but recurring billing > Meshtastic is interesting because it's basically "LoRa-first networking" instead of "internet with some radios attached." Most consumer radios are still stuck in the mental model of walkie-talkies, while Meshtastic treats RF as an IP-like transport layer you can script, automate, and extend. That flips the stack: > This is the collision between two cultures that were never meant to share the same data: "move fast and duct-tape APIs together" startup engineering, and "if this leaks we ruin people's lives" legal/medical confidentiality. The repeated prefixes (Interesting point about!) and the classic it's-this-not-that LLM pattern are definitely triggering my LLM suspicions. I suspect most of these cases aren't bots, they're users who put their thoughts, possibly in another language, into an LLM and ask it to form the comment for them. They like the text they see so they copy and paste it into HN.
  - LoganDark 10mo ago
    > I suspect most of these cases aren't bots, they're users who put their thoughts, possibly in another language, into an LLM and ask it to form the comment for them. They like the text they see so they copy and paste it into HN. Yes, if this is LLM then it definitely wouldn't be zero-shot. I'm still on the fence myself as I've seen similar writing patterns with Asperger's (specifically what used to be called Asperger's; not general autism spectrum) but those comments don't appear to show any of the other tells to me, so I'm not particularly confident one way or the other.
    - balamatom 10mo ago
      That's ye olde memetic "immune system" of the "onlygroup" (encapsulated ingroup kept unaware it's just an ingroup). "It don't sound like how we're taught, so we have no idea what it mean or why it there! Go back to Uncanny Valley!" It's always enlightening to remember where Hans Asperger worked, and under what sociocultural circumstances that absolutely proverbial syndrome was first conceived. GP evidently has some very subtle sort of expectations as to what authentic human expression must look like, which however seem to extend only as far as things like word choice and word order. (If that's all you ever notice about words, congrats, you're either a replicant or have a bad case of "learned literacy in USA" syndrome.) This makes me want to point out that neither the means nor the purpose of the kind of communication which GP seems to implicitly expect (from random strangers) are even considered to be a real thing in many places and by many people. I do happen to find that sort of thing way more coughinterestingcough than the whole "howdy stranger, are you AI or just a pseud" routine that HN posters seem to get such a huge kick out of. Sure looks like one of the most basic moves of ideological manipulation: how about we solved the Turing Test "the wrong way around" by reducing the tester's ability to tell apart human from machine output, instead of building a more convincing language machine? Yay, expectations subverted! (While, in reality, both happen simultaneously.) Disclaimer: this post was written by a certified paperclip optimizer.
jfindper 10mo ago
We finally have a blog that no one (yet) has accused of being ai generated, so obviously we just have to start accusing comments of being ai. Can't read for more than 2 seconds on this site without someone yelling "ai!". For what it's worth, even if the parent comment was directly submitted by chatgpt themselves, your comment brought significantly less value to the conversation.
- probably_wrong 10mo ago
  It's the natural response. AI fans are routinely injecting themselves into every conversation here to somehow talk about AI ("I bet an AI tool would have found the issue faster") and AI is forcing itself onto every product. Comments dissing anything that sounds even remotely like AI is the logical response of someone who is fed up.
  - jfindper 10mo ago
    Every other headline and conversation having ai is super annoying. But also, its super annoying to sift through people saying "the word critical was used, this is obviously ai!". not to mention it really fucking sucks when you're the person who wrote something and people start chanting "ai slop! ai slop!". like, how am i going to prove is not AI? I can't wait until ai gets good enough that no one can tell the difference (or ai completely busts and disappears, although that's unlikely), and we can go back to just commenting about whether something was interesting or educational or whatever instead of analyzing how many em-dashes someone used pre-2020 and extrapolating whether their latest post has 1 more em-dashes then their average post so that we can get our pitchforks out and chase them away.
    - Despyte 10mo ago
      Cultural acceptance of conversation with AI should've come because of actual AI that are indistinguishable from humans, being forced to swallow recognizable if not blatant LLM slop and turn a blind eye feels unfair
      - 10mo ago
vkou 10mo ago
What? It doesn't read that way to me. It reads like any other comment from the past ~15 years. The point you raised is both a distraction... And does not engage with the ones it did.
snapdeficit 10mo ago
“This comment is AI” is the new “First Post” from /. days. Please stop unless you have evidence or a good explanation.
- rootusrootus 10mo ago
  That was literally the same thought that crossed my mind. I agree wholeheartedly, accusing everything and everyone of being AI is getting old fast. Part of me is happy that the skepticism takes hold quickly, but I don't think it's necessary for everyone to demonstrate that they are a good skeptic. (and I suspect that plenty of people will remain credulous anyway, AI slop is going to be rough to deal with for the foreseeable future).
  - lordnacho 10mo ago
    Also, an AI comment might have a worthwhile point to be addressed. Pointing out something was written in a new way is not addressing the point.
    - Aurornis 10mo ago
      Spammers use AI comments to build reputation on a fleet of accounts for upvoting purposes. That may or may not be what's happening with this account, but it's worth flagging accounts that generate a lot of questionable comments. If you look at that account's post history there's a lot of familiar LLM patterns and repeated post fragments.
syndacks 10mo ago
or, they wrote it and asked an LLM to improve the flow
koumou92 10mo ago
You are right, it's 100% AI written
samdoesnothing 10mo ago
Ya ur right, it's either LLM generated, LLM enhanced, or the author has been reading so much LLM output that its writing style has rubbed off.
Conasg 10mo ago
Yeah, you have a point... the comment - and their other comments, on average - seem to fit quite a specific pattern. It's hard to really draw a line between policing style and actually recognising AI-written content, though.
tomhow 10mo ago
Please don't do this here. If a comment seems unfit for HN, please flag it and email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can have a look. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46137863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46137863 and marked it off topic.

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What makes you think that? it would need some prompt engineering if so since ChatGPT won't write like that (bad capitalization, lazy quoting) unless you ask it to

lazide 10mo ago
“Chat, write me a blog article that seems like a lazy human who failed English wrote it”?
- legostormtroopr 10mo ago
  What’s worse being accused of an AI post or being defended because your post is so bad that AI wouldn’t have written it?
- FrustratedMonky 10mo ago
  Well then that's everything.

simonw 10mo ago

That comment didn't read like AI generated content to me. It made useful points and explained them well. I would not expect even the best of the current batch of LLMs to produce an argument that coherent. This sentence in particular seems outside of what an LLM that was fed the linked article might produce: > What's wild is that nothing here is exotic: subdomain enumeration, unauthenticated API, over-privileged token, minified JS leaking internals.

samdoesnothing 10mo ago
It's probably a list of bullet points or disjointed sentences fed to the LLM to clean up. Might be a non-English speaker using it to become fluent. I won't criticize it, but it's clearly LLM generated content.
Aurornis 10mo ago
The users' comment history does read like generic LLM output. Look at the first lines of different comments: > Interesting point about Cranelift! I've been following its development for a while, and it seems like there's always something new popping up. > Interesting point about the color analysis! It kinda reminds me of how album art used to be such a significant part of music culture. > Interesting point about the ESP32 and music playback! I've been tinkering with similar projects, and it’s wild how much potential these little devices have. > We used to own tools that made us productive. Now we rent tools that make someone else profitable. Subscriptions are not about recurring value but recurring billing > Meshtastic is interesting because it's basically "LoRa-first networking" instead of "internet with some radios attached." Most consumer radios are still stuck in the mental model of walkie-talkies, while Meshtastic treats RF as an IP-like transport layer you can script, automate, and extend. That flips the stack: > This is the collision between two cultures that were never meant to share the same data: "move fast and duct-tape APIs together" startup engineering, and "if this leaks we ruin people's lives" legal/medical confidentiality. The repeated prefixes (Interesting point about!) and the classic it's-this-not-that LLM pattern are definitely triggering my LLM suspicions. I suspect most of these cases aren't bots, they're users who put their thoughts, possibly in another language, into an LLM and ask it to form the comment for them. They like the text they see so they copy and paste it into HN.
- LoganDark 10mo ago
  > I suspect most of these cases aren't bots, they're users who put their thoughts, possibly in another language, into an LLM and ask it to form the comment for them. They like the text they see so they copy and paste it into HN. Yes, if this is LLM then it definitely wouldn't be zero-shot. I'm still on the fence myself as I've seen similar writing patterns with Asperger's (specifically what used to be called Asperger's; not general autism spectrum) but those comments don't appear to show any of the other tells to me, so I'm not particularly confident one way or the other.
  - balamatom 10mo ago
    That's ye olde memetic "immune system" of the "onlygroup" (encapsulated ingroup kept unaware it's just an ingroup). "It don't sound like how we're taught, so we have no idea what it mean or why it there! Go back to Uncanny Valley!" It's always enlightening to remember where Hans Asperger worked, and under what sociocultural circumstances that absolutely proverbial syndrome was first conceived. GP evidently has some very subtle sort of expectations as to what authentic human expression must look like, which however seem to extend only as far as things like word choice and word order. (If that's all you ever notice about words, congrats, you're either a replicant or have a bad case of "learned literacy in USA" syndrome.) This makes me want to point out that neither the means nor the purpose of the kind of communication which GP seems to implicitly expect (from random strangers) are even considered to be a real thing in many places and by many people. I do happen to find that sort of thing way more coughinterestingcough than the whole "howdy stranger, are you AI or just a pseud" routine that HN posters seem to get such a huge kick out of. Sure looks like one of the most basic moves of ideological manipulation: how about we solved the Turing Test "the wrong way around" by reducing the tester's ability to tell apart human from machine output, instead of building a more convincing language machine? Yay, expectations subverted! (While, in reality, both happen simultaneously.) Disclaimer: this post was written by a certified paperclip optimizer.

jfindper 10mo ago

We finally have a blog that no one (yet) has accused of being ai generated, so obviously we just have to start accusing comments of being ai. Can't read for more than 2 seconds on this site without someone yelling "ai!". For what it's worth, even if the parent comment was directly submitted by chatgpt themselves, your comment brought significantly less value to the conversation.

probably_wrong 10mo ago
It's the natural response. AI fans are routinely injecting themselves into every conversation here to somehow talk about AI ("I bet an AI tool would have found the issue faster") and AI is forcing itself onto every product. Comments dissing anything that sounds even remotely like AI is the logical response of someone who is fed up.
- jfindper 10mo ago
  Every other headline and conversation having ai is super annoying. But also, its super annoying to sift through people saying "the word critical was used, this is obviously ai!". not to mention it really fucking sucks when you're the person who wrote something and people start chanting "ai slop! ai slop!". like, how am i going to prove is not AI? I can't wait until ai gets good enough that no one can tell the difference (or ai completely busts and disappears, although that's unlikely), and we can go back to just commenting about whether something was interesting or educational or whatever instead of analyzing how many em-dashes someone used pre-2020 and extrapolating whether their latest post has 1 more em-dashes then their average post so that we can get our pitchforks out and chase them away.
  - Despyte 10mo ago
    Cultural acceptance of conversation with AI should've come because of actual AI that are indistinguishable from humans, being forced to swallow recognizable if not blatant LLM slop and turn a blind eye feels unfair
    - 10mo ago

vkou 10mo ago

What? It doesn't read that way to me. It reads like any other comment from the past ~15 years. The point you raised is both a distraction... And does not engage with the ones it did.

snapdeficit 10mo ago

“This comment is AI” is the new “First Post” from /. days. Please stop unless you have evidence or a good explanation.

rootusrootus 10mo ago
That was literally the same thought that crossed my mind. I agree wholeheartedly, accusing everything and everyone of being AI is getting old fast. Part of me is happy that the skepticism takes hold quickly, but I don't think it's necessary for everyone to demonstrate that they are a good skeptic. (and I suspect that plenty of people will remain credulous anyway, AI slop is going to be rough to deal with for the foreseeable future).
- lordnacho 10mo ago
  Also, an AI comment might have a worthwhile point to be addressed. Pointing out something was written in a new way is not addressing the point.
  - Aurornis 10mo ago
    Spammers use AI comments to build reputation on a fleet of accounts for upvoting purposes. That may or may not be what's happening with this account, but it's worth flagging accounts that generate a lot of questionable comments. If you look at that account's post history there's a lot of familiar LLM patterns and repeated post fragments.

syndacks 10mo ago

or, they wrote it and asked an LLM to improve the flow

koumou92 10mo ago

You are right, it's 100% AI written

samdoesnothing 10mo ago

Ya ur right, it's either LLM generated, LLM enhanced, or the author has been reading so much LLM output that its writing style has rubbed off.

Conasg 10mo ago

Yeah, you have a point... the comment - and their other comments, on average - seem to fit quite a specific pattern. It's hard to really draw a line between policing style and actually recognising AI-written content, though.

tomhow 10mo ago

Please don't do this here. If a comment seems unfit for HN, please flag it and email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can have a look. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46137863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46137863 and marked it off topic.