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Garage is a popular alternative to Minio. https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr I hadn't heard of RustFS and it looks interesting, alth

by bityard 11mo ago

Garage is a popular alternative to Minio. https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr I hadn't heard of RustFS and it looks interesting, although I nearly clicked away based on the sheer volume of marketing wank on their main page. The GitHub repo is here: https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs

dalenw 11mo ago
I use garage at home, single node setup. It's very easy and fast, I'm happy with it. You're missing out on a UI for it, but MountainDuck / CyberDuck solves that problem for me.
- redrove 11mo ago
  I’ve been using this https://github.com/khairul169/garage-webui https://github.com/khairul169/garage-webui as a UI for Garage. It’s been solid. After years of using Garage for S3 for the homelab I’d never pick anything else. Absolutely rock solid, no problem whatsoever. There isn’t ONE other piece of software I can say that about, not ONE. Major kudos to the guys at deuxfleurs. Merci beaucoup!
eproxus 11mo ago
Yeah, that page is horrendous and looks super sketchy. It looks like a very professional fishing attempt to get unsuspecting developers to download malware. They have a lot of obviously fake quotes from non-existent people at positions that don’t even mention what company it is. The pictures are misgendered and even contain pictures of kids. Feels like the whole page is AI generated.
- runiq 11mo ago
  They have a CLA that assigns copyright to them: https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs/blob/5b0a3a07645364d998e3f518f33a128d2e457da6/CLA.md?plain=1#L31-L37 https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs/blob/5b0a3a07645364d998e3f5... So, arguably worse than MinIO.
  - stormking 11mo ago
    How would you run a project like this? People come and go. People do a one-time contribution and then you never hear from them again. People work on a project for years and then just go silent. Honestly, credit where credit is due, but how is a project like this supposed to manage this?
    - speedgoose 11mo ago
      You could pick a license and not plan to relicense later. Like Linux.
    - PunchyHamster 11mo ago
      You can have CLA without assigning copyright to the project. You don't need assignment to the project if you are not planning to change project's license. You do need assignment to the project if you need to ever rugpull the community and close the code
    - runiq 11mo ago
      What do you mean by 'manage?' In your mind, what are you planning to do in the future that you need my full copyright as a change owner?
  - everfrustrated 11mo ago
    The _only_ reason to require a CLA is because you expect to change the license in the future. RustFS has rug-pull written all over it.
    - regularfry 11mo ago
      Or to offer it under a commercial licence in parallel.
      - Jon_Lowtek 11mo ago
        While that is the most common use case for CLAs, it is normally done by contributors granting a very permissive, but not exclusive, license to a legal entity like a company or foundation, in addition to the public license granted to everyone. This is not that. This is not even a license. They want a full transfer of intellectual property ownership. Sure that enables them to use it in a commercial product, but it also enables them to sue if contributors contribute similarly to other projects. Obviously that would create a shit storm, and there is an exception with the public license, but riddle me this: can you legally make similar contributions to multiple projects that have this type of CLA? Let us take a step back and instead look where such terms are more common: employment contracts.
cromka 11mo ago
I saw an article here not long about where someone explained they were hosting their Kopia or Nextcloud aver Garage, but I can't find it anymore. This was going to be my next project, as I am currently storing my Kopia/Ente on MinIO in a non-distributed way. MinIO project going to shi*s is a good reason to take on this project faster than later.
adamcharnock 11mo ago
We’ve done some fairly extensive testing internally recently and found that Garage is somewhat easier to deploy, but is not as performant at high speeds. IIRC we could push about 5 gigabits of (not small) GET requests out of it, but something blocked it from reaching the 20-25 gigabits (on a 25g NIC) that MinIO could reach (also 50k STAT requests/s) I don’t begrudge it that. I get the impression that Garage isn’t necessarily focussed on this kind of use case.
victormy 11mo ago
Speaking as an open-source enthusiast, I’m actually really digging RustFS. Honestly, anything that can replace or compete with MinIO is a win for the users. Their marketing vibe feels pretty American, actually—they aren't afraid to be loud and proud, haha. You gotta give it to them though, they’ve got guts, and their timing is spot on.

by bityard 11mo ago

dalenw 11mo ago

I use garage at home, single node setup. It's very easy and fast, I'm happy with it. You're missing out on a UI for it, but MountainDuck / CyberDuck solves that problem for me.

redrove 11mo ago
I’ve been using this https://github.com/khairul169/garage-webui https://github.com/khairul169/garage-webui as a UI for Garage. It’s been solid. After years of using Garage for S3 for the homelab I’d never pick anything else. Absolutely rock solid, no problem whatsoever. There isn’t ONE other piece of software I can say that about, not ONE. Major kudos to the guys at deuxfleurs. Merci beaucoup!

eproxus 11mo ago

Yeah, that page is horrendous and looks super sketchy. It looks like a very professional fishing attempt to get unsuspecting developers to download malware. They have a lot of obviously fake quotes from non-existent people at positions that don’t even mention what company it is. The pictures are misgendered and even contain pictures of kids. Feels like the whole page is AI generated.

runiq 11mo ago
They have a CLA that assigns copyright to them: https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs/blob/5b0a3a07645364d998e3f518f33a128d2e457da6/CLA.md?plain=1#L31-L37 https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs/blob/5b0a3a07645364d998e3f5... So, arguably worse than MinIO.
- stormking 11mo ago
  How would you run a project like this? People come and go. People do a one-time contribution and then you never hear from them again. People work on a project for years and then just go silent. Honestly, credit where credit is due, but how is a project like this supposed to manage this?
  - speedgoose 11mo ago
    You could pick a license and not plan to relicense later. Like Linux.
  - PunchyHamster 11mo ago
    You can have CLA without assigning copyright to the project. You don't need assignment to the project if you are not planning to change project's license. You do need assignment to the project if you need to ever rugpull the community and close the code
  - runiq 11mo ago
    What do you mean by 'manage?' In your mind, what are you planning to do in the future that you need my full copyright as a change owner?
- everfrustrated 11mo ago
  The _only_ reason to require a CLA is because you expect to change the license in the future. RustFS has rug-pull written all over it.
  - regularfry 11mo ago
    Or to offer it under a commercial licence in parallel.
    - Jon_Lowtek 11mo ago
      While that is the most common use case for CLAs, it is normally done by contributors granting a very permissive, but not exclusive, license to a legal entity like a company or foundation, in addition to the public license granted to everyone. This is not that. This is not even a license. They want a full transfer of intellectual property ownership. Sure that enables them to use it in a commercial product, but it also enables them to sue if contributors contribute similarly to other projects. Obviously that would create a shit storm, and there is an exception with the public license, but riddle me this: can you legally make similar contributions to multiple projects that have this type of CLA? Let us take a step back and instead look where such terms are more common: employment contracts.

cromka 11mo ago

I saw an article here not long about where someone explained they were hosting their Kopia or Nextcloud aver Garage, but I can't find it anymore. This was going to be my next project, as I am currently storing my Kopia/Ente on MinIO in a non-distributed way. MinIO project going to shi*s is a good reason to take on this project faster than later.

adamcharnock 11mo ago

We’ve done some fairly extensive testing internally recently and found that Garage is somewhat easier to deploy, but is not as performant at high speeds. IIRC we could push about 5 gigabits of (not small) GET requests out of it, but something blocked it from reaching the 20-25 gigabits (on a 25g NIC) that MinIO could reach (also 50k STAT requests/s) I don’t begrudge it that. I get the impression that Garage isn’t necessarily focussed on this kind of use case.

victormy 11mo ago

Speaking as an open-source enthusiast, I’m actually really digging RustFS. Honestly, anything that can replace or compete with MinIO is a win for the users. Their marketing vibe feels pretty American, actually—they aren't afraid to be loud and proud, haha. You gotta give it to them though, they’ve got guts, and their timing is spot on.