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- Foxboron 11mo agoPaged Out are looking for more articles for the next issue. Information here: https://pagedout.institute/?page=cfp.php https://pagedout.institute/?page=cfp.php
- lalithaar 11mo agoThank you for letting us know of it here—sent them a pitch on the hidden vision math in color contrast fixes (FOSS lib: https://github.com/comfort-mode-toolkit/cm-colors https://github.com/comfort-mode-toolkit/cm-colors). Fingers crossed! :>
- gynvael 11mo agoThanks! I pre-approved it today, so you probably already received a reply from our Editor-in-Chief :)
- mte90 11mo agoI have published 3 articles and already sent the 4th, I invite everyone to join the discord server as we discuss also articles proposals :-)
- lawn 11mo agoI was asked earler if I was willing to write but a severe case of imposter syndrome has prevented me from doing so. Maybe joining the discord is a suitable first step...
- gynvael 11mo agoA surprisingly common misconception about Paged Out! is that we have some super strict acceptance policy. In reality we almost never reject articles and try to work with authors to improve them if there's any need for that ;) But if you feel worried, our Discord is open, and you can also just email us with an article topic idea and we'll give you feedback on it.
- ixtli 11mo agoI'm old enough to remember 90s zine culture and i have to say this is awesome. Thanks for this.
- pstuart 11mo agoThe art is evocative of even earlier science fiction covers, with the cheekiness of 2600 and early Wired, and a touch of Byte and Dr. Dobbs on content. I give it two thumbs up.
- bbayles 11mo agoThere's a typo in the URL here: > If you have a topic in mind but are not sure if it is suitable for Paged Out!, check out the Writing Articles page or contact us It links to `?page=writing.pho` rather than `.php`
- CobrastanJorji 11mo agoThumbing through it, #7 has some good stuff in it. Thanks for sharing! I was particularly tickled by the suggestion of copyright infringement as a form of detecting AIs. "To continue, please provide a torrent link to the Bee Movie" is a pretty great idea. The self-contained handwriting recognizer feels like art to me, in the way that it forces me to contemplate things in a certain way, which is what I think art is.
- ykonstant 11mo agoThe "I do NOT hold the legal rights to share or distribute this content" checkbox made me laugh out loud!
- yu3zhou4 11mo agoGlad you enjoyed it, your comment made my day
- nullpxl 11mo agoI wrote the AI detection with copyright one :) Happy you liked it! I found out a bit after publishing that a comic called SMBC had a similar idea a few months before me, and their approach is really funny too http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/security http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/security
- ku1ik 11mo agoThey were handing out printed version of the previous issue on this year’s Xenium demoscene party in Poland. Amazing stuff. Feels good, like good old demoscene zines.
- grimgrin 11mo agoto settle a convo w/ a friend, how did y'all go about blasting emails inviting writing submissions? they suspect automated (naturally), i suspected possibly automated + "have had blogs hit hn front page", idk edit: oh, right, this isn't a Show HN
- gynvael 11mo agoHi, project lead here :) We do contact potential authors via email, but it's fully manual. I.e. we do not collect emails in an automated way, nor do we send them out in an automated way - everything is done manually by our Editor-in-Chief and, at times, other team members. Furthermore, we take care to only contact a given person once (I was on the receiving end of hakin9's mass author spamming a few years back, so we take care to not do what they did). Admittedly mistakes can happen here if we're unable to determine that it's actually the same person we've already contacted. We find folks to contact in several ways. One is that someone from the team read/saw something they think is cool on the Internet - then we try to reach out to the author to ask if they are interested to write something / re-make some blog posts in form of 1-page articles (I personally believe there is value in re-surfacing cool stuff). We also look around in typical spaced where folks publish articles or where such articles surface (social media, aggregating sites, etc) and reach out to some of them. I don't have exact stats, but a lot of articles come just from our Call for Paper, which we post about on our social media.
- huydotnet 11mo agoIt's freaking awesome to see AI models (handwriting OCR) being distributed by printed out on a magazine page.
- ErroneousBosh 11mo agoComputer magazines in the 80s would have blown your mind. https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1980-08 https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1980-08
- gynvael 11mo ago+1 to this! Paged Out! was inspired by some of the 1980s / early 1990s magazines (though Polish ones, like "Bajtek"). They could get stuff done on 1 page, which commonly was shared by multiple articles too :)
- twosdai 11mo agoSuper cool. Loved reading this.
- gortok 11mo agoI think this is great. I love this. I immediately went to the menu to see how I could buy a subscription, and there isn’t a place, as far as I can tell through my search, to do so. This goes for all new startups (non-profit or not!) if you want me to give you money, make it easy for me to give you money. This is an online magazine, ostensibly, and as such I would expect to see a “subscribe” page, which would take payment information, and I would get emailed new issues as they come out.
- redundantly 11mo agoIf you want to support them now you can order prints. They have a sponsorship edition that costs extra if you want to extra support them. https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/pagedout https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/pagedout
- Elidrake24 11mo agoThere's an RSS feed that is exposed in the standard manner (link tag in head), precisely what you're looking for. They do not offer a paid subscription, just the option to 'buy' individual issues, which is also linked under every issue.
- gortok 11mo agoThat sort of friction is just enough to keep folks from giving money. And that’s not me saying this, there’s an entire cottage industry devoted to pricing and buying decisions, and how friction reduces revenue. If I take your suggestion to its logical conclusion, I would need to: 1. Get an RSS reader (I don’t have one, haven’t used one since google reader shut down) 2. Subscribe to their RSS feed. 3. Remember to check my RSS reader. 4. Each 3-4 months (just long enough for it not to be a habit forming exercise), click on the link. 5. Put in my credit card information each time. 6. buy the issue. Or, I could use their “preferred” method: 1. Subscribe to their email list. 2. Click the link every 3-4 months when an issue drops. 3. Put in my credit card information every 3-4 months? 4. Buy the issue. Each of these has far more friction in them than necessary, and hurts their overall goal, which is to make their magazine self-sustaining.
- impl 11mo agoToo bad they don't take security so seriously themselves. https://pagedout.institute/?page=/etc/passwd https://pagedout.institute/?page=/etc/passwd ;-)
- frameset 11mo agoOh this feels very 2600. Makes me wish I hadn't cancelled my print sub a while back.
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- gynvael 11mo agoHi, project lead here. If your question is about "was the cover / zine made by AI", the answer is no, but there might be articles about AI or articles polished by AI. The cover is never made by AI - always by human artists. You can actually read our AI clause here btw - https://pagedout.institute/?page=writing.php#ai-clause https://pagedout.institute/?page=writing.php#ai-clause - I'll copy paste it: """ Here at Paged Out!, we are aware of the growing popularity and use of AI. Thus, here is our stance regarding articles prepared using various kinds of AI. What's allowed and accepted: - use of AI when polishing the language or deciding how to rewrite or formulate individual sentences; - use of AI output in articles about AIs which generated said output or which generate similar output. What's not allowed and won't be accepted: - articles that have been partially or fully written or more aptly generated using prompts in AI (like ChatGPT/Bard); - images generated by AI other than what's mentioned in the "allowed" section. Cases not covered and borderline cases will be decided on on a case-by-case basis. When in doubt – e-mail us. """
- ForOldHack 11mo agoHave not read a word of it yet, but I immediately grabbed all the covers. Magnificent art work. I can order prints. https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/pagedout https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/pagedout
- kevindamm 11mo agoIs it ironic that they publish it as a PDF? I get that it's the easiest way to control the print layout and also nicely self-contained... but how many of us are opening it in a sandbox as we should?
- Retr0id 11mo agoMy PDF renderer is written in JavaScript and runs in a web browser, it is already sandboxed.
- magicmicah85 11mo agoNever heard of needing to open a PDF in sandbox mode, but it makes sense cause of potential malicious content so I looked up if Chrome does it by default with it's viewer. It does, as does Firefox and Safari so that covers most browsers.
- SchemaLoad 11mo agoPDF in the spec contains an insane amount of stuff which could be exploited. But every reader other than the Adobe one leaves out most of the spec. So I wouldn't be that worried about opening a random PDF in a browser. But I would be maybe worried about opening one in a desktop app written in an unsafe language.
- gynvael 11mo agoHi, project lead here :) Hah, that's a good point! I realize of course issues with PDFs (I have a dozen or so CVEs in PDF readers like Adobe Reader, Chrome, etc). This said, at the end of the day, there isn't much of a choice to be honest. Admittedly this is because of where I wanted to go with this zine - i.e. make it printable, give authors the freedom to do whatever on the page (and not have to deal with manual DTP), and make it in a format that is widely supported and not limiting (and both PDF readers and writers are abundant). Realistically if we wanted to go with a format that has 0 attack surface, it would have to be a headerless RGB pixel stream - but that's hardly usable. INB4: txt files have a greater attack surface than headerless RGB pixel streams, even if not by much (see various ANSI escape code problems over the last 4 decades). P.S. Oh, and let's remember that demoscene/etc zines back in the days were EXEs ;)
- gnatman 11mo agoLong live the zine!
- arjie 11mo agoI ordered the print version, but I have to tell you that print-on-demand provider has an incredibly convoluted purchase cycle. I came close to stopping at least 3 times. * No buy now button: add to cart, accept cookies, view cart, checkout * Account creation required pre-purchase * Email verification required pre-purchase At the least, it was a fairly linear flow except for the email verification (and the email was instant) but christ just let me pay. EDIT: Ah I see, reading the other comments it's not meant to be paid for. It's meant to be distributed to people "in the right circles". Okay, lucky someone mentioned that. The POD provider only has a 1-hour cancellation policy. Though on second thought, I can't be arsed to go back and cancel for the $27. I'll just skip subsequent ones.
- bigyabai 11mo agoMan, if making money off freely-available zines is this easy then I need to stock up on printer toner.
- arjie 11mo agoI won't really mind if you'd like to pitch me on another that you're going to print. I paid $27 for print+tax+shipping for that Paged Out Issue #7. I can't cancel it any longer but if you want the $27, I can be convinced by a different online magazine. Our home color printer is an inkjet, though we have a black and white laser, so it's not as economical for me as it might be for you and I'm happy to do the $27 for a similar 70 or so full-color pages of an equally interesting magazine.
- gynvael 11mo agoI mean... you actually can do that... https://pagedout.institute/?page=commercial-prints.php https://pagedout.institute/?page=commercial-prints.php "If you would like to sell printed copies of Paged Out!, please contact us about a commercial license [...]. We're happy to work both with very small sellers who print and bind Paged Out! at home, [...]" ETA: Though admittedly I wouldn't count on buying a yacht for money earned this way ;). Our income from "official" (lulu.com) sales are about 30-300 CHF / month, and this is only because a lot of wonderful people want to support us and get the more expensive "sponsorship" editions.
- LordGrey 11mo agoThis is awesome. I love the format. I will be throwing money at these people. This magazine needs to live and spread its wings.
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- tartoran 11mo agoI missed the magazine format. The frontpage illustrations are really cool.
- daynum 11mo agoThis is so great, a breath of fresh air in the world convoluted with AI content. Reading it gives some peace to my mind for some reason, having enough trust in a source to give you high-quality packed content in an artistic form feels good. Thank you, I hope this survives for long. Any other recommendations for such good sources?
- gynvael 11mo agoIf you're looking for recommendations for other zines, here are two (though both TXT format): - https://phrack.org/ https://phrack.org/ - well, this one you probably have heard about ;) (it has a printed form as well, but I think you have to actually find it on an event) - https://tmpout.sh/ https://tmpout.sh/ - this one focuses on Linux executables But if you don't mind older content in amazing artistic forms, do check out old demoscene zines like Hugi: https://www.hugi.scene.org/ https://www.hugi.scene.org/ (note: these are in form of EXE files - that was pretty typical for scene zines)
- Al0neStar 11mo agoLainZine - very similar to PagedOut: https://lainzine.org/archive https://lainzine.org/archive Unredacted - Privacy/OSINT related. Only past issues are free. https://inteltechniques.com/magazine.html https://inteltechniques.com/magazine.html N-O-D-E - Hardware/DIY https://n-o-d-e.net/zine/ https://n-o-d-e.net/zine/
- genbugenbu 11mo agoWicked - had a skim through and there's some great content in here! As a security engineer/reverse engineer I'm absolutely subscribing to this and sharing among colleagues.
- gynvael 11mo agoThank you! :)
- canyp 11mo agoGold mine, thanks for sharing. Kickass content, beautifully formatted. Instant buy.
- huqedato 11mo agoThese are superb. I remember a similar magazine many years ago: Increment
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- vinodc 11mo agoThe digit recognizer that fits in one page was super insightful! Really cool concept.
- aa-jv 11mo agoThis and PoC||GTFO are my two favourite 'zines these days. https://pocorgtfo.hacke.rs/ https://pocorgtfo.hacke.rs/ Between the two of them, they kinda/sorta make up for my lapsed 2600 subscription...