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To summarize the current Dutch personal income system: besides income from salary and income from own business (these are taxed quite high), income from investm
by askmike 10mo ago
To summarize the current Dutch personal income system: besides income from salary and income from own business (these are taxed quite high), income from investments (stocks, passive investments, real estate excluding your first home) is taxed quite low. The amount is simply a percentage based on the value (as per the start of the year) of your investments.
So in the Dutch tax system there is no difference between realized and unrealized gain. As such it doesn't matter when you buy/sell your investments. It doesn't impact your tax burden. The effect you get is that everyone's wealth just slowly erodes away, just like with inflation (unless your yield outpaces that).
But with this new law that all might change.
- lateforwork 10mo agoThat seems like a reasonable approach. That's much preferable to a tax on realized gains and a tax on unrealized gains. In the US when you buy a mutual fund you're already paying a "tax", for example, Fidelity eats 0.83% if you invest in their FSLVX mutual fund [1]. [1] https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/316128602 https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/31612...
- dwightgunning 10mo agoThat's not a tax, that's the expense ratio, which is basically describing fees captured by the fund manager. Funds accessible to Dutch investors involve similar ERs. It's not an alternative.
- lateforwork 10mo agoYes, the tax can be thought of an extra expense ratio. Same impact on you, at the end of the day.
- krageon 10mo agoIt can be thought of the same way, but not from the perspective that's under discussion. As such it doesn't really add anything except a new perspective. Why are you introducing it, what does it add?
- lateforwork 10mo agoYou don't have to worry about tax implications when timing stock sale.
- Volundr 10mo agoCalling the expense ratio a tax is like calling the labor cost of your car repair a tax. The expense ratio is what the fund manager is charging to cover their labor and expenses. It's not a tax on the transaction going to the government.
- lateforwork 10mo agoNo, I am saying the tax is like an additional expense ratio.
- Volundr 10mo agoAh, that makes more sense. Sorry I was not getting there from the original comment.
- ivankra 10mo agoIt is essentially a wealth tax system. But I wouldn't call it low: currently, 6.17% fictional yield x 32% tax rate = 2% wealth tax rate - it is at the high end among countries with a wealth tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_tax)
- igor_akhmetov 10mo agoThe current rate is 36%.
- yread 10mo agoOne important thing the article omits is that there is threshold under which you don't pay anything in box 3. If you own less than 57.000 eur (or 114k for a family) you don't pay this tax.