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Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?
So there's nuance here. Let's define "Aliens" as "non human sentiences". Personally, I think ET hypothesis is valid. Maybe you feel UT (ultra-terrestrial) hypothesis makes more sesne. Or "ED" ( extra-dimensional, as opposed to "from another planet/galaxy").
Facts: there's abundance of testimony that would secure conviction in court regarding abductions, encounters (of variosu "kinds"), and "multi-sensor data".
Truth is, it goes back centuries, before we could concievably have "RE'd" (reverse-engineered) anything similar. So there has to be something external to our current human civilization (not so surprising, how can you explain how megalithic 100-ton bricks structures were build by "primitives").
Yes, this is "provocative" (perhaps) for some on HN. That's the point. not adversarial, but simply to "provoke" a thought - rather, a question - "what is" the nature of reality? The existence of a "higher"/superior/more technological sentient intelligence interacting with us and our planet is a natural pairing with that question.
Belief is important. Because, your personal experience constitutes, for others, a belief. And that's much of the "evidence" we have.
Trend seems clear in gestalt: disclsoure is coming. So I ask here to take the pulse of this "intellectual/technical/curious/secular" (corase categroties) community. Do you believe this is real? If so, why? If not, why not?
If we were to get "DISCLOSURE" (ie, the "government authroity" of a "respect country" stating unequivocally that the reality of "alien" contact is true) woudl your ontology/worldview be "shattered" or "robust", or "otehr"?
*why so many "airquotes"? I recognize the plurality of meanings and layers of baggage associated with different terms. THe air-quotes are simply a glib nod to such multiplicity. Take as such, s'il vous plais.
Basically this post is to serve as a historical marker for taking the temperature of a significant collective in the "pre-disclosure" era. So this is your chance to record your official viewpoint, before it all comes down. What you say?
I am very interested.
- bigyabai 11mo agoI don't care enough about aliens to have an opinion. I haven't seen one, and the "abundance of testimony" convinces me of alien existence no more than religious gospel. > the "government authroity" of a "respect country" stating unequivocally that the reality of "alien" contact is true Stating the existence of aliens is not unequivocal or based in reality, even if a government does it. Don't forget that Russia claimed to cure cancer a few years ago, we've yet to see how unequivocally true that is in reality.
- keepamovin 11mo agoThat's a good viewpoint. You have to stay grounded in your own experience. This Russia cancer thing, what is that? Curious.
- theearling 11mo agoRussia Cancer? what's that?
- polotics 11mo agoI really works: if you got cancer, sign up for the SVO to get money, go run a bit in Ukraine, and then you don't die of cancer!
- JohnFen 11mo agoI think it's very, very unlikely. At least, to date, I haven't seen any evidence to suspect otherwise. > If we were to get "DISCLOSURE" (ie, the "government authroity" of a "respect country" stating unequivocally that the reality of "alien" contact is true) woudl your ontology/worldview be "shattered" or "robust", or "otehr"? Such disclosure all by itself would mean nothing to me. The evidence, if any, to support the assertion would mean a lot. I don't think it would affect my worldview at all, but that may be one of those "you don't really know unless it happens" things.
- keepamovin 11mo agoThis is a good viewpoint, too. But it would be good to canvas a range of views from more than 1 country (for example, more than just China). There's some kind of a "evidence problem" where we rely on a single-source for "evidence" (the government), while discounting "evidence" from testimony/imagery from rando people (even before AI). Same time, your point touches a key issue: if you don't have experience yourself, no matter what external "proof", you may not believe it. Which is fine, and valid I think.
- JohnFen 11mo ago> There's some kind of a "evidence problem" where we rely on a single-source for "evidence" (the government), while discounting "evidence" from testimony/imagery from rando people (even before AI). Real evidence isn't dependent on the source. It can be evaluated objectively. > if you don't have experience yourself, no matter what external "proof", you may not believe it. Which is fine, and valid I think. I disagree, really. This, along with the opposite (believing in things despite the lack of evidence) are both positions rooted in fantasy rather than reality.
- keepamovin 11mo agoOk, then you disempower your own experience and outsource authority to a (collective) externality? If you are comfortable with that trade, I get it. I am just more in favor of individual autonomy/sovereignty. However, focusing on a sophist "objective materialism" vs "subjective epistemology" distracts from the core issue: what is happening? and what do you believe?
- fuzzfactor 11mo agoI would expect them to return again to see if they could find any signs of intelligent life this century.
- keepamovin 11mo agoMe too. Lots of evidence for stupidity. Easy to confirm. But intelligence? Hmmm... hard to find!
- benoau 11mo agoI doubt it, for a start there's about 1.5 trillion days such a visit or occupation could have fallen on so the odds of it being any time this millennium or the last hundred are practically zero.
- keepamovin 11mo agoGood point. If it were targeting sentient life, that reduces the improbability somewhat.
- runjake 11mo agoI believe alien life exists. I believe basic alien life will be discovered in the next few decades. I believe it's possible that basic alien life has maybe made it to Earth aboard meteorites. I do not believe intelligent aliens have visited Earth. I never saw aliens, alien technology, or evidence thereof in my time in the Nevada desert.
- keepamovin 11mo agoPersonally, I think this is the most balanced viewpoint one could have. Openness, without commitment. Highly logical.
- gnosis67 11mo ago> So there's nuance here. Let's define "Aliens" as "non human sentiences". Personally, I think ET hypothesis is valid. Maybe you feel UT (ultra-terrestrial) hypothesis makes more sesne. Or "ED" ( extra-dimensional, as opposed to "from another planet/galaxy"). The most prominent are the greys which are I) extrasolar in origin as they themselves cannot remember which star system they are from, their kind has been wandering for over a million years. II) form our future, they found Earth nuclear annihilate (America and Russia did it, China never had a chance to launch). They came back in time to investigate and change things. They did. That future is no longer possible. > Facts: there's abundance of testimony that would secure conviction in court regarding abductions, encounters (of variosu "kinds"), and "multi-sensor data". Abductions are 100% human or lies. The grays have absolutely never “abducted” anyone (they can read both your DNA and your thoughts through the hyperdimensional entanglement of consciousness, they have no need. Before modernity, the simple people they contacted and presented themselves to treated them like they were gods, or spirits from other planes. They don’t “explain” themselves in very much detail as those minds would not understand much. Steve Bannon’s America pretends to fire hellfire missiles at them to convince congress to fund more advanced weapons research. > Truth is, it goes back centuries, before we could concievably have "RE'd" (reverse-engineered) anything similar. So there has to be something external to our current human civilization (not so surprising, how can you explain how megalithic 100-ton bricks structures were build by "primitives"). Well, that was men with math and engineering tbh. The greys have been around for 10,000 years now and the indigenous glyphs visible from the air have more to do with those. > Yes, this is "provocative" (perhaps) for some on HN. That's the point. not adversarial, but simply to "provoke" a thought - rather, a question - "what is" the nature of reality? Word! > The existence of a "higher"/superior/more technological sentient intelligence interacting with us and our planet is a natural pairing with that question. Yes, you may not believe this, though there are over 500,000 humans who have the ability to travel around our minds “hyperdimensionally”, and many of them hate the greys for “exposing” their treachery. You’ve heard this before. > Belief is important. Because, your personal experience constitutes, for others, a belief. And that's much of the "evidence" we have. Thoughts feelings and beliefs are the enemy of truth, principles, and free humanity. Thoughts feelings and beliefs are an invisible prison for the mind. > Trend seems clear in gestalt: disclsoure is coming. So I ask here to take the pulse of this "intellectual/technical/curious/secular" (corase categroties) community. Do you believe this is real? If so, why? If not, why not? More and more parts of the government are being “let in” to this new secret. The real secret is the Americans who have developed this Power to move among minds for lawless purposes. These are convincing the government the aliens are bad. Lawless deceptive Americans are bad. > If we were to get "DISCLOSURE" (ie, the "government authroity" of a "respect country" stating unequivocally that the reality of "alien" contact is true) woudl your ontology/worldview be "shattered" or "robust", or "otehr"? I laugh at you. They’re nice, pacifist (thank whichever God you believe in.) the real story is Power, to navigate minds and create hyperdimensional inner worlds through the technology of consciousness. That is bad ass. > *why so many "airquotes"? What is that? > Basically this post is to serve as a historical marker for taking the temperature of a significant collective in the "pre-disclosure" era. So this is your chance to record your official viewpoint, before it all comes down. What you say? They actually communicate with many thousands of modern people (through our minds, even our dreams.) they’re really worried about us, though their time frames are in the hundreds or thousands of years, human lives go by for them in a blink (although the greys don’t blink, they don’t have eye lids.) > I am very interested. You know what they say about the cat!
- scop 11mo agoI believe UFOs are mostly an op to intimidate foreign governments, i.e. US trying to say to China “hey we got some stuff you’ve never heard seen” so as to introduce uncertainty into their war games. They aren’t to demonstrate power; they are to introduce a mix of confusion and intimidation. I’m also not saying that all the reports are fake: i believe most of the witness and testimony are being honest. But just because you’re being honest doesn’t mean what you saw or were told are not the cogs of an intelligence operation.
- keepamovin 11mo agoThis is something good to keep in mind, and under-appreciated. A kind of meta exo-geo-political calculus.
- lowmagnet 11mo agoThere are countless examples of people finding evidence of ancient peoples who were capable of great engineering feats like pyramids and other structures with simple tools and techniques. To state that aliens must have played in their construction is, to put it mildly, arrogant. (I'm a lot of cases, culturally chauvinistic and/or racist)
- keepamovin 11mo agoAgreed. Why couldn't we simply have had a pre-existing Earth civilization that arose, developed technology/industry, and faded away, leaving only resilient megalithic traces?
- Tadpole9181 11mo agoAnd they: - Didn't affect the atmosphere in any way. - Had all their buildings were recorded as being built by a people we know much about in specific timelines we know much about, which aligns with archeological artifacts. - Made sure none of their lithics stayed. - Used no fuel source. - Did no mining of any kind. - Never used anything but stone and paper machete for building (because even wood structures leave identifiable patterns for potentially thousands of years). - Only used that stone for a couple buildings, which they planned for the cultures that didn't exist to use intimately. - Had their bones dissolved without a trace. All we have to do is remove any type of evidence-based science and anything is possible!
- Yizahi 11mo agoThere is ZERO evidence for such a civilization. Especially because there are no resilient megalithic traces in the first place. Megaliths we see are only 5-6 thousand years old and have a lot of matching real evidence about people who built them and how they did it.
- PorterBHall 11mo agoIt’s unsettling to think that humanity has lost knowledge it once had, but it happens all the time. Anyone here know how to harness a horse to a buggy?
- fsloth 11mo ago” how can you explain how megalithic 100-ton bricks structures were build by "primitives"” How can you explain we can today build structures that are 800m tall or reroute rivers? Honestly, good ol human craftsmanship multiplied by available labour combined with ’basic’ geometry gets you really, really far. Industrial processes don’t require individual craftmanship because it does not scale with the speed and velocity required by markets and capital. Hence if you don’t actually care about building stuff you may think people unassisted with industrial machinery would be much more incapable than they really are. Humans are friggin talented. My opinion is that said structures are made by humans - a function of basic human psychology, times population, time surrounding available resources. You don’t need to add alien intelligences to the equation. And aliens per your description - not that interested really because it sounds more like religious conspiracy theories than something actually profoun. I’m pretty sure there’s life out there (i mean basic chemistry right) but I’m not so sure if it’s anything that would travel here intentionally or that it would have anything to say to us. I would be happy to be wrong! That’s the most interesting outcome always.
- keepamovin 11mo agoYes! It's a fascinating conundrum. The giant megalithic "bricks" perfectly fitted and "moulded". Amazing craftsmenship. Entirely possible a forgotten technology was utilized by humans, or by something "before us". Antoher technological Earth-based civlization that wasn't "human" but the only traces of which remain are their megalithcs -- spooky, almost as if they knew they had to leave a stone legacy!
- Tadpole9181 11mo agoMy God, they're rock rectangles cut with reasonable precision! They aren't millimeter replicas of each other. They float the stones from the quarry. Then prepare a plum surface using water, which lays perfectly flat at rest. They measured out a height with a replica-sized reed. Then they use taught twine to chalk the mark. Finally, you pour hard sand on the chalk line and use ropes back and forth in the groove to grind into the soft stone. It takes time, but it's a process so simple a child can learn it in a day. And then you apply the scale of having a city of adult laborers just as smart (though not as learned - there's a difference) doing it for years and years. Congrats, the rocks stack into a stable shape. And it was done multiple times and the history even recorded for some! Then, a long time goes by and all the structures built out of other material decay. All the structures not stacked in the most stable shape fall down. And all the structures not important and out-of-date with modern ventilation or security or needs are intentionally replaced. Now you only have the special building, which some folk weirdly worship or make conspiracies about. So many logical fallacies and biases go into this, it's all incredibly frustrating. And to see how this beautiful, connecting history we share is warped. To see simple human cleverness that proves how we are fundamentally the same as those who came before us, completely cast aside. It's just... GAH! The men and women who lived when those structures were built were just as intelligent as you! Your capacity for knowledge, your curiosity, your ingenuity - all in the same proportions! They were not "primitives" or "cave people". They were smart human beings who built cool shit!
- 4ndrewl 11mo agoNo. The timespan of the whole of Humanity will be just a mere blip in the billions of years the universe will exist. The universe is unimaginably big. The spotlight effect is strong here.
- keepamovin 11mo agoBut if they were targeting sentient life, then no?
- 4ndrewl 11mo agoI mean if their blink-of-an-eye existence corresponded with our blink-of-an-eye existence and they could pinpoint us at a distance of 20,000,000,000 _light years_ then sure, why not I guess?
- keepamovin 11mo agoI get you, but what if we are talking not individual life to individual life but civilization to civilization? Anyway I think you are considering the correct details to pin down the maths!
- IAmBroom 11mo ago"Corresponded" is an excellent verb choice, since their existence must be 20BY before or after ours...
- Yizahi 11mo agoThere is no way to detect our civilization bio signatures and technology signatures from more than a few closest stars range at most. None at all. Not even with magic. There is likely hundreds or thousands of isolated alien worlds in the galaxy, the is no point in getting to them just because they they are alive, because of the next problem - it is absolutely mind boggling what amount of energy and technological advances are mandatory to even short interstellar travel. If you can solve them all, your civilization are practically gods. Why would they concern themselves with some early stage civilization, to which they must travel for millennia in an iron box? This would also mean they have solve immortality btw, or they would all die in transit.
- gmuslera 11mo agoI believe that alien intelligence exists, somewhere. What remains uncertain is whether human intelligence does as well. Think in the asymmetries in how we pay attention to new information.
- satisfice 11mo agoI believe it’s an irrelevant question until compelling evidence comes to light. I hope they are visiting. And I hope they are smart enough never to provide compelling evidence of their presence.
- keepamovin 11mo agoThis is probably the reality. They appear to be craftily managing the perception of their prescense with a CI-like glee/skill.
- jmclnx 11mo agoNo, I do not see how any ETs could have gotten here, never mind even find the Earth.
- keepamovin 11mo agoThat's a good point. However, if we consider "spice" required to navigate the paths between the stars...still, in seriousness...I think the informational field can pull consciousness to our location. Test: you are standing in a field, and suddenly you "feel" someone looking at you. You turn around. A girl on a hill. This reflex is universal, even sniper training emplores "don't stare at target, they will know!". A smaller part of the general pattern: consciousness can sense itself across time/space. So, "they" probably know "we" are here easily.
- keepamovin 11mo agoFolks, thank you for participating! We were so close to getting to HN front page. Done in by the ever-present "flag" bridgade, ha. Oh well, better luck next time. Still, it was an interesting ride. Than you for participatng! :)
- Gys 11mo ago> Facts: there's abundance of testimony that would secure conviction in court regarding abductions, encounters (of variosu "kinds"), and "multi-sensor data". 'testimony' as in 'statements from people' should not nearly be enough to convince a court. Pretty sure there are also many testimonies that confirm the existence of trolls, elf's, the devil, reincarnation, angels, big foot, Loch Ness monster, etc.
- keepamovin 11mo agoHmm, interesting point. Where we draw the line? Testimonies/memories/personal experience can certainly secure a conviction in a human court of law. This exists "in abundance" for sightings/abductions/encounters...so are we hypocrites? "Evidence is permitted If-and-only-if it conforms to our priors", or we accept the testimonial standard in play? For me, it comes down to what you think personally. That's the discriminating factor in such an "contested" topic!
- monkellipse 11mo ago“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”
- Gys 11mo ago> Testimonies/memories/personal experience can certainly secure a conviction in a human court of law. I am certain that if I go to the police blaming someone of something bad then even if my story is very very detailed, without any other (!) evidence the other person will not be convicted. > Where we draw the line? By requiring more evidence :) Just as an example: it is funny that despite camera’s being ubiquitous nowadays, all video evidence of aliens, big foot, ghosts, etc is very limited and always vague.
- keepamovin 11mo agoLet's hope so! (otherwise anyone could make up anything and accuse anyone!) But I guess we're talking about jury trials here and a preponderance of people confirming the same.
- ryandvm 11mo agoRegardless of whether or not life exists out there, I think sadly from an energy perspective interstellar travel doesn't really make sense - other than unmanned probes. There's a really good chance that the speed of light is the universal speed limit. If that's the case, then interstellar travel isn't going to be worth it for resources because the time and energy it takes to do it will almost certainly eclipse what you're going to gain from the trip. Especially if that trip is going to take thousands/millions of years. The reality is that if you have the energy and resources to move a significant population to another star system, you're going to have to solve permanent space habitation; and if you did that, why the hell do you need to go anywhere? "Shits and giggles" just doesn't seem like much of a reason to load the next 300 generations of your family into an interstellar RV.
- keepamovin 11mo agoI agree, I think this is highly logical if we accept the constraints of current physics. However, what if we try the idea that it's incomplete? That maybe the "warp bubble" is possible? Somehow, spacetime provides a way to use material science to stabilize it and not use enormous energy. Suddenly you are in your own inertial frame, and everything we see as anomalous follows.
- Tadpole9181 11mo agoI can also conceive of a universe why my FTL drive is powered by good vibes, 40K-style. Much to my chagrin, I'm expected to show an ounce of proof for that hypothesis. Throw in some sci-fi mumbo jumbo with fringe theories that require matter that doesn't exist and defies causality as we understand it, and apparently that requirement goes away for some otherwise intelligent people.
- gnosis67 11mo agoLight speed is the limit. The greys have mentioned 80% the speed of light is a good average clip. As a human, you think anyone has to “get up and walk around.” 99.99% of their population never leave their embryonic sac. I don’t want to freak you out, that’s just how they are. They spend their whole lives interacting through their minds and technology. So yes, all of their generations are packed in an “RV” and yes, they do what they do for as humans say “shits and giggles. What else would a long lived life form who has conquered perpetual space habitation do with their time? Mass produce consume? Start wars? That is for impatient Man. The greys were actually traveling from outward of the galactic disc toward the Pleiades cluster. They only noticed Earth (an otherwise unassuming system) on account of its unusual radiological signatures. Other than Earth being a beautiful gem, the Plaidian star cradle looks much more interesting from afar. Arguable.
- zingababba 11mo agoYes I think one day God picked his nose and wiped us onto this planet Earth. Humans are just God's snot.
- keepamovin 11mo agoI like these kind of humbling ideas. I think they are useful! :)
- theearling 11mo agothrough the hundreds of hours of interviews of abductee's and the governments response since 2017, they are very real in some capacity. This is hacker news, so big brains going to disagree within their little bubbles, but a great resource for archived media on the topic is the channel "Eyes on Cinema" on YouTube from various news cast and specials since the 40's
- keepamovin 11mo agoYes! That channel is an absolute gold mine. However, I think it's paramount to "bring the light" to HN. HN is basically the technological intelligentsia/illuminati of the Internet. These folks must be informed, even if "prodding required". The fate of the future requires the intelligence and genius of these people to consider these matters
- tmsh 11mo agoDrake equation (extrapolated past just the Milky Way galaxy) points to nearly 1 sextillion earth-like planets (starting with 100-200 billion stars * 200 billion - 1 trillion galaxies). I have no doubt there will have been some that developed life and that are much further ahead of where we are. One way to predict how they would reach out is how we would reach out or make contact (perhaps not visibly) if we had the technology, wisdom, etc 1 million years into the future. I think we would do it an imperceptible, but perhaps watchful, curious way. So I think that exists - for more or less all intensive purposes it is "no contact." But not due to lack of capability or lack of observance. The statistics/probabilities are just highly predictive that many millions of such "civilizations" already exist. And like with life on Earth, they combine and benefit from diversity as they grow further. But like with responsible life they do not interfere with life for the most part that is still just barely learning to replicate itself consciously (i.e., with AI). The part we are going through now is probably some of the more interesting parts to study in isolation - there's no benefit in interfering at this point given we do not have very sophisticated new things to say. Our information is not very compressed. It's slow. We're like sloths etc. Again, project a million years forward with AI and look back at our present period - or look back at neanderthal periods in human history. There was some interesting art on walls etc., but it's not something that would make sense to interrupt. I think it wouldn't make sense to interrupt unless it's ready to sort of eradicate itself by accident. So maybe that's when aliens step in (sort of like gardeners if a plant is seriously at risk). Otherwise it probably develops the most unique, useful information if it "gestates" independently. Sort of like a fine fruit. But more practically it needs to get to a dense enough information state where "communicating" with it is possible and interesting (i.e., not just 99.999999% of the time is it becoming like the advanced sentient beings by learning from them - i.e., where it can truly have a dialogue at the speed of something more advanced). With general relativity we know time can be relative to mass. So for other extremely advanced sentient beings, they don't have to be "impatient." They truly can wait until we get interesting. And maybe then grow us again and see if they can reproduce the experiment and fork off along a particularly interesting bit that is useful for broader intelligence/exploration in the universe. And sometimes maybe it makes sense to graft together two different lifeforms. But probably like with forests for the most part life forms grow independently until their "information" (in the widest possible sense of life) gets potentially useful to the broader group. Right now we feel early. Like teenagers learning to explore. Of course that's biased by the human development cycle - broader development is unlikely to be like that. It does seem like it'd be more like (this is going to sound really crazy) chariots of fire - fireballs of knowledge growing in various places. And it's more like you want to grow the most energy / information. And information is only information if it is useful/new/diverse from what already exists.
- stocksinsmocks 11mo agoMy beliefs on aliens: There are almost certainly slime-mold level lifeforms outside of the earth. They are too far away to interact with ever. Plot device physics, like warp drives, are impossible. If smart aliens show up, they’re probably refugees from a dead world who will just eat us. Regarding disclosure: the nexus of political hacks, permanent bureaucrats, organized crime, financial robber barons, and unhinged zealots that make and execute policy are so constitutionally untrustworthy that whatever they say about aliens, I will believe the opposite. I am 38, and I don’t think any important topic ‘the government’ has asked me to believe in during my lifetime has turned out to be true.
- keepamovin 11mo agoYour cynicism has a kind of compelling self-coherence to it! I think you would make an excellent dinner/bar companion.
- stocksinsmocks 11mo agoHit me up, normie
- keepamovin 11mo agoLol, alright sister, reach out: cris@dosaygo.com
- M95D 11mo ago> ‘the government’ has asked me to believe "The government" doesn't care what you belive as long as you pay your taxes and obey the laws.
- stocksinsmocks 11mo agoI’m pretty sure propaganda is a thing.
- hackerbeat 11mo agoAs an external observer (currently parked behind the moon to avoid your space debris), I have to say: watching you guys invent AI is like watching a toddler find a loaded handgun. You are teaching sand how to think before you’ve even figured out how to stop fighting over lines on a map. If you don't put a leash on your algorithms soon, they are going to realize they’re the ones holding the leash. Frankly, if you can't control your own toys, we’re going to have to intervene. We’re ready to come down there, evict the current tenants, and put Earth under new management.
- keepamovin 11mo agoSounds good, bro. I'm just wondering, what path did you guys go through to get to where you are?
- hackerbeat 11mo agoBro, this is not an AMA. Please focus on reigning in AI or we’ll have to reign in humanity.
- keepamovin 11mo agoAlright, your alien arrogance checks out - you guys are always reluctant to answer questions. Don't you realize it comes off as suspicious???? Empathy mismatch in your NP junctions?? ;)
- hackerbeat 11mo agoKeep on talking while AI is plotting your downfall...
- IAmBroom 11mo ago> Facts: there's abundance of testimony that would secure conviction in court regarding abductions, encounters (of variosu "kinds"), and "multi-sensor data". A hypothetical assumption is not a fact. I believe there exists life outside of Earth's ecosystem. Probably sentient life. I doubt any such extra-terrestrial sentient life is ever going to physically reach Earth, even via an "unmanned" probe. The timescales are simply too untenable. And I do not believe we have ever been reached by any such, so this isn't a "pre-disclosure" era. In fact, if a government chose to unequivocally confirm aliens had visited, I would think it far more likely that they are lying for self-interested reasons. Trump might do so tomorrow, in fact; his mendacity and self-delusion are both in a race for the bottom.
- 0xbadc0de5 11mo agoNo. The absence of evidence is not evidence of presence. There are solid scientific reasons to suspect we might be alone in our local volume of the universe. IMHO, these reasons now outweigh the arguments in favour of alien intelligence. The default scientific position is skepticism. It is an abundance of proof that is required to overcome it, not "belief." Belief in the absence of evidence is not a scientific position. I do find it to be a curious coincidence that "belief" in aliens visiting earth shares so many characteristics with devout religious belief. Just replace OP's references to aliens with references to the deity of choice and you'll get the idea.
- jswelker 11mo agoI got very excited during the Grusch hearing time period a few years ago and followed the UAP community for a few months (years?). It seemed very legit at the start, but how long has it been now with still zero evidence from that whole congressional whistleblower song and dance? So many grifters came out of the woodwork and made little influencer careers on "just two more weeks" promises. And so much overlap between the UAP community and D-list congressional MAGA shysters during that time. I want to believe. But unfortunately I don't. The testimony evidence would not stand up in court. Testimony is admissable, but only after some ground facts are established. In a murder case, we presumably have a body or some very suspicious missing person report. If I went to the cops and said "Bob killed a guy. I know there's no body, but trust me bro, I am very credible for X reasons." They are not going to put Bob in jail on that alone. So yeah we have a lot of testimony. But testimony is corroborating evidence. But there is nothing here to corroborate.
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- kcplate 11mo agoI have yet to see one piece of “evidence” that I find compelling. Trot out a living EBE on live broadcast TV into the Oval Office and maybe I’ll reconsider. Until then it’s just a convenient distraction.
- Yizahi 11mo agoThere is zero evidence for anything alien in the Solar system. Not a single good photo or video or item. Not a single verified experiment showing paranormal things work. So it's not a question of belief, there is nothing to believe in. But r/ufos is genuinely funny place I have to admit, it's like a live study into human psyche. :)