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It's funny that game makers make a fuss about anti-cheat not working on Linux but then publish Switch versions of their games. That platform has almost zero sec
by __alexs 11mo ago
It's funny that game makers make a fuss about anti-cheat not working on Linux but then publish Switch versions of their games. That platform has almost zero security and is commonly emulated with cheats even in multiplayer these days.
- j-bos 11mo agoThis. Even kernel level anti-c-spyware can't stop a cheap vision model hokked to a mouse, see youtube for examples from simple auto input up to full on elctromuscular stimulation.
- huflungdung 11mo ago[dead]
- embedding-shape 11mo agoBased on the latest report from Dice/EA/BF6, seems indeed like they're detecting hardware-based cheating as well: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2807960/view/497213442478833989 https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2807960/view/4972134... Although who knows, they might be outright lying about that just to scare cheaters, but I tend to default to assuming what they're saying is more or less true.
- orbital-decay 11mo agoLooking at the accessibility alternatives they suggest, they were probably detecting XIM users, not the much nastier PC stuff like DMA cards.
- archerx 11mo agoThey can’t detect me splitting my hdmi output, feeding one of them to a separate machine with a vision model to detect what needs to be detected and the same machine moving and clicking the mouse. People are already doing this.
- archerx 11mo agoYes the channel “Basically homeless” has a few variations on this. Using electrodes to move your muscles to more practical a bot that moves your mouse pad for you to give you perfect aim. No anti cheat can detect that because there is nothing to detect.
- tonyhart7 11mo agowhat multiplayer (esports) game that can run on switch ???? fornite???? its not gonna be main playerbase
- amarant 11mo agoFrom the top of my head: Rocket league, Splatoon. I'm sure there are others, but those are the 2 I play
- prmoustache 11mo agomario karts
- lawn 11mo agoSuper Smash Bros.
- bsimpson 11mo agoSplatoon is a Nintendo game.
- amarant 11mo agoSure, but it's still an esport and any discussion of anti cheat ought to apply regardless of publisher methinks
- Q6T46nT668w6i3m 11mo agoMadden and NBA2K
- Levitz 11mo agoIt's a numbers issue. How often do people encounter cheaters while playing Switch games online?
- __alexs 11mo agoOften because of cross play.
- hollandheese 11mo agoTry playing Pokémon Legends Z-A multiplayer.
- Almondsetat 11mo agoThe thing is: the Switch has a clear ToS, and if the user breaks it they can get into trouble. OTOH, if you release your game in Linux... that's it
- riddley 11mo agoThe games have ToS though right?
- Almondsetat 11mo agoThe Switch is a closed proprietary platform, so Nintendo can give some guarantees, and if the user does something at the Switch level, the responsibility of legal action will be on Nintendo, saving up headaches to the publisher.
- dotancohen 11mo agoBeaches of a Terms of Service agreement have no inherent legal penalties. Some actions which breach ToS may be illegal, but that has nothing to do with them being outlined in a ToS.
- lawn 11mo agoBad excuse, they could rely on Steam ToS for example.
- surajrmal 11mo agoCreating a steam account is cheap. Needing to buy a new switch is not.
- bakugo 11mo ago> is commonly emulated with cheats even in multiplayer There is no Switch emulator that can play online on official servers. The only way you can cheat online is by hacking a real console, but the percentage of people who do it is quite small.
- __alexs 11mo agoAIUI you can do it, but you risk the Switch you got the data from being banned.
- hiccuphippo 11mo agoIf people cheat in the switch, they can blame Nintendo. If people cheat in PC, they can blame the anticheat. Without anticheat, they have to take the blame.
- archerx 11mo agoI still blame the devs of the games.
- shmerl 11mo agoClient side anti cheats is a lazy excuse why they don't want to spend on server side anti cheats anyway.
- SirMaster 11mo agoHow do you stop a client-side wallhack with server side anti-cheat?
- LanceH 11mo agorun your own servers, an admin watches them track people behind walls, player gets banned, move on. Oh, they took away player run servers...
- iknowstuff 11mo agoNot scalable
- nevon 11mo agoDon't send the client information about players they should not be able to see based on their current position.
- xeonmc 11mo agoAnd under such system, how do you stop people from abusing latency-compensation to make their character appear out of thin air on the opponent’s perspective by fake-juking a corner to trick the netcode into not sending the initial trajectory of your peeks?
- vablings 11mo agoFortnite had this same issue when BR was first released. It was promptly fixed after cheaters started abusing it by adding more stringent checks.
- Mindwipe 11mo agoThe Switch has good security as long as you can check the OS version robustly. Any Switch game using an anti-cheat solution that can't trivially detect that it's being emulated is... not using a very good anti-cheat solution.