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I mostly agree on all points, but what self driving tech is better? I've periodically looked at the options, and nothing really seems to compare in North Americ

by tensor 10mo ago

I mostly agree on all points, but what self driving tech is better? I've periodically looked at the options, and nothing really seems to compare in North America. Maybe BYD and others have great tech, but stuff like Blue Cruise works hardly anywhere in Canada, and to me, that makes it virtually useless.

amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
Certainly waymo is better, but you can't buy it. Yet, anyway.
audunw 10mo ago
He’s probably thinking of robo taxi self driving. So that would be e.g. Waymo. I don’t think anyone has better self driving for consumers out atm, but you could argue that’s because other companies are not using their customers as beta testers. I’ve seen demos that may indicate Mobileye has tech that’s just as good if not better. But they don’t release it to end users until it’s fully ready. I don’t think Tesla has any special sauce, and that when the tech is actually ready for unattended full self driving in a consumer car, other car makers will come out with solutions around the same Tesla. One difference is maaaybe Tesla will be able to update old cars (probably with a hardware update). While I think others will only support it on new cars.
- 01100011 10mo ago
  Yeah this. The argument for years has been something like: > Tesla will solve self-driving and everyone will be left unable to compete. Also, AI is advancing rapidly and will solve all kinds of problems for society. But apparently it will not solve self-driving for anyone else but Tesla. I gave up trying to argue with Tesla fans years ago. They are immune to logic which invalidates their priors.
fragmede 10mo ago
http://comma.ai http://comma.ai isn't self-driving, just really good cruise control (better than Blue cruise, imo), but most importantly, you can get it today. (And for less than $8k.)
- seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
  That’s just Tesla auto pilot and smart cruise control on most new models. It’s definitely nice, but not full self driving.
- tensor 10mo ago
  TBF all I really want is highway driving. I probably even prefer signalling lane changes manually. Comma looks pretty neat.
shermozle 10mo ago
"I've tried all the options I have here in the country that banned the major players and I don't think any are better."
- tensor 10mo ago
  “I like to be snarky and mean to people on the internet who aren’t as lucky as me to have diverse consumer choices.”

by tensor 10mo ago

amanaplanacanal 10mo ago

Certainly waymo is better, but you can't buy it. Yet, anyway.

audunw 10mo ago

He’s probably thinking of robo taxi self driving. So that would be e.g. Waymo. I don’t think anyone has better self driving for consumers out atm, but you could argue that’s because other companies are not using their customers as beta testers. I’ve seen demos that may indicate Mobileye has tech that’s just as good if not better. But they don’t release it to end users until it’s fully ready. I don’t think Tesla has any special sauce, and that when the tech is actually ready for unattended full self driving in a consumer car, other car makers will come out with solutions around the same Tesla. One difference is maaaybe Tesla will be able to update old cars (probably with a hardware update). While I think others will only support it on new cars.

01100011 10mo ago
Yeah this. The argument for years has been something like: > Tesla will solve self-driving and everyone will be left unable to compete. Also, AI is advancing rapidly and will solve all kinds of problems for society. But apparently it will not solve self-driving for anyone else but Tesla. I gave up trying to argue with Tesla fans years ago. They are immune to logic which invalidates their priors.

fragmede 10mo ago

http://comma.ai http://comma.ai isn't self-driving, just really good cruise control (better than Blue cruise, imo), but most importantly, you can get it today. (And for less than $8k.)

seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
That’s just Tesla auto pilot and smart cruise control on most new models. It’s definitely nice, but not full self driving.
tensor 10mo ago
TBF all I really want is highway driving. I probably even prefer signalling lane changes manually. Comma looks pretty neat.

shermozle 10mo ago

"I've tried all the options I have here in the country that banned the major players and I don't think any are better."

tensor 10mo ago
“I like to be snarky and mean to people on the internet who aren’t as lucky as me to have diverse consumer choices.”