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It is notable that so many publications try to salvage "AI" ("need for new pedagogical approaches that integrate AI effectively") rather than ditch "AI" complet
by bgwalter 11mo ago
It is notable that so many publications try to salvage "AI" ("need for new pedagogical approaches that integrate AI effectively") rather than ditch "AI" completely.
The world worked perfectly before 2023, there is no need to outsource information retrieval or thinking.
- Wowfunhappy 11mo agoThe world worked perfectly before 1982, there is no need for the internet. (…I actually kind of think this. "Kind of" being the key word.)
- awesome_dude 11mo agoGod no. Speaking as someone that communicates primarily through text (high likelihood of Autism) the internet was the first chance a lot of us had to ... speak.. and be heard
- deadbabe 11mo agoThat’s not a problem that generalizes to the broader population. We don’t really need internet.
- awesome_dude 11mo agoScrew the broader population I can speak now dammit!!!!!
- danaris 11mo agoIn other words "disabled people can suck it, because I don't care about their lives or experiences"? We often fall short, but as a society we do try to make sure we're accommodating disabled people when we make big changes in our systems.
- awesome_dude 11mo agoJust FTR - I read them as being facetious
- danaris 11mo agoPoe's Law applies. There are far, far too many people who genuinely think disabled people should just disappear or die for it to be "safe" to be facetious about that without a clear sarcasm indicator.
- cindyllm 11mo ago[dead]
- fn-mote 11mo agoI disagree. People have a need to be heard and understood. That’s half of what we are doing here posting. Many (“not disabled”) people don’t fit in with their local peer group / society. The internet gave them a way to connect with other like-minded individuals. Do I need to give examples? Let’s say: struggling with a rare disease.
- Wowfunhappy 11mo agoBut on the other end you have genocide triggered by Facebook. You can't speak if you're dead. Perhaps some of that violence would have happened anyway. I don't know how it all nets out.
- sukhdeepprashit 11mo ago[flagged]
- manmal 11mo agoNot much has changed, only people get diagnosed now. I think GP makes actually a good point that, with all its downsides, there are also net positive upsides to the internet.
- bad_haircut72 11mo agothere are upsides but I dont know if its net upside. In this particular example, communicating by text - letter writing has existed for millenia and has arguably degraded considerably in this age of instant messaging
- awesome_dude 11mo agoSorry, i know it's a bit "flavour of the month" but I mentioned it because I have a difficulty communicating face to face, which is common amongst a certain group of people, and I figured that mentioning it would help people understand my thinking.
- bad_haircut72 11mo agoWhy couldn't you write letters instead of texting?
- awesome_dude 11mo agoI didn't have your mailing address :P
- boca_honey 11mo agoAh yes, the perfect world we had when governments could get away with anything because the press was not enough to showcase their attrocities. A beautiful, perfect world, with rubella and a global population living in extreme poverty close to 50% (compared to today's 10%). I see this mentality almost exclusively in americans and/or anglo people in general, it's incredible... if you're not that, I guess you're just too young or completely isolated from reality and I wish you the best in the ongoing western collapse. (... I actually wish you're joking and I didn't catch it, though).
- daseiner1 11mo agolast sentence in your first paragraph has nothing to do with the current state of the internet and certainly not AI. first sentence? turns out governments can still get away with pretty much anything and propaganda is easier than ever.
- pessimizer 11mo ago> propaganda is easier than ever. It is so much harder now. There are people who are willfully ignorant now, almost proud to be; snooty about it. But it's impossible for governments and institutions to lie like they used to be able to. People are trading primary source documents online within the day. It's why the popularity of long-ruling institutional parties is dropping everywhere, and why the measures to stop people from communicating and to monitor what they're saying are becoming more and more draconian and desperate.
- daseiner1 11mo agobeyond irony that you pose as some tech optimist while also mentioning “western collapse” and then speak about a uniquely American pessimism, a nation that is presently under the thumb of a government that does not respect the rule of law and actively manipulates capital/big business. and you cannot simply hand-wave away the massive acceleration of the surveillance state and characterize it as a tool of the “institutional parties”
- rezz 11mo agoWhy stop there? We could do long division before the calculator and hand write before the typewriter.
- maplethorpe 11mo agoI do wonder if the calculator would have been as successful if it regularly delivered wrong answers.
- Bootvis 11mo agoIt does if you’re a clumsy operator and those are not rare.
- pfortuny 11mo agoYes, but the machine itself is deterministic and logically sound.
- ramesh31 11mo ago>Yes, but the machine itself is deterministic and logically sound. Because arithmetic itself, by definition, is. Human language is not. Which is why being able to talk to our computers in natural language (and have them understand us and talk back) now is nothing short of science fiction come true.
- maplethorpe 11mo agoEven worse is if it's in the other room and your fingers can't reach the keys. It delivers no answers at all!
- Bootvis 11mo agoMy point is, needing to use something with care doesn't prevent it becoming from wildly successful. LLM's are wrong way more often but are also more versatile than a calculator.
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- ako 11mo agoWhere is this perfect world you’re speaking of? Surely not the one we’re living in…
- mgraczyk 11mo agoI'm a lot more productive than I was in 2023 and I've been coding full time since 2012