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Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development
- StrLght 11mo agoDelightful news! I hope more vendors will follow Framework's example. I have a couple machines that get all relevant updates from LVFS, it's been an absolute game changer for me.
- nrp 11mo agoWe consider LVFS to be critical infrastructure for our products and are happy to support it. Richard is doing excellent work.
- tapia 11mo agoJust got my Framework 13 last week. I really love this computer, and how it is pushing for upgradability and repairability in this segment. Thanks a lot for creating this computer!
- hellcow 11mo ago[flagged]
- matthewfcarlson 11mo agoWho/what is DHH?
- Tade0 11mo agoDavid Heinemeier Hansson, creator of Ruby on Rails. Everyone who knows that abbreviation seems to have a strong opinion on the guy for some reason.
- fragmede 11mo ago> for some reason That reason is repeated elsewhere on this thread but since you're feigning ignorance I'll repeat it here. Basically he wrote some hateful racist shit that ever so barely can be interpreted as not being hateful racist shit, so the resulting controversy is "was that actually racist hateful shit?" Some of the people who read it as hateful racist shit are rich and pulled funding from various places associated with him, because they don't want to be affiliated with hateful racist shit.
- Tade0 11mo ago> since you're feigning ignorance I'm actually not, as I don't follow celebrities (including in tech) and find giving what they say weight silly. I was more referring to him being generally controversial and that not being a new thing. Anyway, I took the time to at least skim that faithful blog post and what he wrote appears to be just a reflection of what a significant chunk of Danes nowadays think. Also where I'm from it would be considered tame and I wish my country's policy was more like that of Denmark, because so far we have largely performative violence, which isn't really effective. Personally I think Robinson's entire purpose in life is to keep himself out of jail, but he fails at that too. Not too bright a fellow, and certainly a terrible leader.
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- JuniperMesos 11mo agoI'm not a huge fan of Ruby on Rails either, but despite this I'm pretty happy with my Framework laptop.
- pengaru 11mo agoSo which angelic vendor are you purchasing your hardware from instead? Do tell... I personally supported MNTRE by purchasing a new Reform and will order a Reform Next, but it's not yet a substitute for anything state of the art. (I'm not sure Framework laptops are even competitive in that space either, certainly not in terms of price:perf)
- erxam 11mo agoThe problem is that buying Framework has always been a political decision, from the very start. Right-to-repair, specifically. If you don't care about the politics at all, then why would you even consider buying one of their laptops? There is literally zero reason. They sell overpriced, underpowered plastic hunks of shit which are an absolute pain to even buy, let alone deal with. So if they start supporting a far-right agitator like D14HH, that bakes him into the very soul of supporting Framework. Which makes the whole thing rather dicey.
- jimmaswell 11mo ago> overpriced, underpowered plastic hunks of shit which are an absolute pain to even buy, let alone deal with. Absolute nonsense, my FW16 has been fantastic. No hardware trouble at all to speak of in my years owning it. Looks cool, works great, solid construction. Ordering was a breeze. I love everything about the experience of buying and owning this laptop.
- srid 11mo agoSounds like you have a poitical clash with DHH. You are of course free to choose how you spend your money. Other people are free to ignore politics or look at counteracting viewpoints: https://felipec.wordpress.com/2025/09/23/the-ruby-community-doesnt-have-a-dhh-problem/ https://felipec.wordpress.com/2025/09/23/the-ruby-community-...
- metabagel 11mo agoIt seems unlikely to me that DHH wasn’t referring to white people when he said “native Brit”. Certainly, if that’s not what he meant, he could clear that up pretty easily. Has he?
- joe5150 11mo agoI don't think this drivel helps explains anything that's not stated in very plain English in DHH's blog.
- pkd 11mo agoThat article spends a lot of words in trying to paint DHH's "native Brits" in a positive light but never mentions the following sentence from the article: > A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now. How is DHH able to determine nativity as defined by "being born and brought up" simply walking the streets of London if it has nothing to do with what you look like? Plus he even links to a Wikipedia page about white vs non-white British population in London and uses the non-white number. If he wanted to, he could've referred to the foreign-born vs local-born numbers too but he did not. I don't think DHH is racist, but he's so infected by the anti-woke mind virus that he's happy to parrot racist talking points to "own the libs". Whether that's any better, I'm not sure. It seems like the author has infinite rope to extend to DHH. That's not being nice, that's being oblivious.
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- smileson2 11mo agoI'm in a weird boat in all this drama where I don't care what DHH thinks about the UK or the UK
- pkd 11mo agoI think framework made a misstep with this spornsorship deal. I still think they should be supported in their mission and you don't have to regret your purchase.
- nrp 11mo agoPoint of clarification: we don’t sponsor Omarchy. We did sponsor Rails World, which is put on by the Rails Foundation, because our site is built on Rails. Our full set of sponsorships is here: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships
- hellcow 11mo agoYou promoted Omarchy repeatedly on Twitter (much moreso than other distros) and DHH repeatedly promoted Framework in kind. You sent DHH a development device for Omarchy. It's worth noting that DHH is also the chair of the board of the Rails Foundation. So whether it's a sponsorship on your list or not, it's much cozier than I would care to be with someone who holds these views.
- erxam 11mo ago[flagged]
- dangus 11mo agoWhat are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views? This Twitter drama is so stupid. Framework did effectively nothing and all these chronically online people like yourself are diagnosing every comment anyone has ever said trying to make Framework denounce their alleged endorsement of views that never happened. You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had. Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology? “I love KitKats!” “Omg, Nestle uses slaves to farm cocoa for KitKats! Will you apologize for endorsing slavery??” “No…because I never endorsed slavery…I just said I love KitKats.”
- jm4 11mo ago[flagged]
- hellcow 11mo agoSimply say, "we didn't realise how controversial DHH was, and we will focus our donations/marketing/sponsorships on other projects in the FOSS ecosystem going forward." The fact Framework hasn't done this in the face of his racist, anti-trans and ableist viewpoints is what I find objectionable.
- unethical_ban 11mo agoI supremely loathe the idea that every organization and company must take a stand on everything everyone has ever said. No one sponsored rails because of DHH commenting sympathetically to a position of Tommy Robinson. Now the whole thread is derailed. Objective achieved, good job.
- gritten 11mo agoWhy should they though? What's wrong with "We didn't realise how controversial DHH was, and frankly it's none of our business. We are sponsoring his development efforts, not his political crusade."?
- Zardoz84 11mo agoWhat's wrong buying any Harry Potter thing, when J.K. has spoken very clearly that any money that she would get, would be use in his anti-trans crusade ?
- gritten 11mo agoFramework isn't funding any crusade. They made a small contribution to support open source software development. If you don't agree with that, quietly take your business elsewhere. I cannot fathom the entitlement on display here, for this group to believe they have the moral high ground in demanding a cessation of this funding and a public apology, while trying to organise a boycott. Nothing you buy doesn't have a fascist and a communist somewhere in the supply chain. Whatever your politics, you are always indirectly funding your political opponents. It bears no relation to the product or service they provide. You need to learn to operate in a society full of diverse opinions rather than having a meltdown when anyone differs in perspective.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago[flagged]
- gritten 11mo agoIt's a computer, not a political crusade. There will be people of all types and ideologies in the Framework laptop supply chain somewhere. I don't see how this man's political views are at all relevant to the computer you are buying, even if you managed to convince me that he is guilty of thought crime in the first place. My first Framework is preordered now. I really don't care if a Nazi or a transsexual furry Marxist or anything in between has contributed along the way. I bought a computer from a computer manufacturer.
- erxam 11mo agoIt is a computer which wields its politics as its raison d'etre. In this case, what you support is what you buy.
- gritten 11mo agoIsn't that repairability, upgradeability and customisation, though? I didn't see anything political while completing my preorder. It seems to me like certain groups are trying to project their political agenda on to this repairable laptop maker, and then being outraged when the company is more concerned with making repairable laptops than championing their particular views.
- BoredPositron 11mo agoThe net finally caught something actually useful.
- backscratches 11mo agoBravo! This (and coreboot) are why I own a Starbook from Starlabs. Worth noting that the starlabs machines are equally repairable as the frameworks as well. But am extremely happy to have multiple options in the niche, will survey again when I upgrade.
- snapplebobapple 11mo agoI wish framework would support coreboot, that would be awesome.
- backscratches 11mo agoI can only recommend starlabs in that case, took me tons of research before discovering only starlabs has everything: repair ability, firmware, coreboot, compatibility, custom hardware.
- snapplebobapple 11mo agoyah, the problem is I'm pretty heavily invested in framework and already bought the newest 16" before I realized starlabs wasn't selling rebadged compal suitcase sized laptops anymore, so it'll be 3 years at least.
- backscratches 11mo agoYes fair enough I was on the fence between framework and starlabs since they seem to be only custom hardware Linux machines and am lucky I wasn't in a rush and could wait for the starlabs or I would have pulled the trigger on framework. Machines will hopefully only be better when the time comes!
- snapplebobapple 11mo agoyah, it's a small gripe really, I just really want to try out coreboot, it looks like the future. I wish windows wasn't holding back hardware development everywhere so badly.
- nightshift1 11mo agoWhat is LVFS / Fwupd ? Neither the article or its first link explains it.
- cpburns2009 11mo agofwupd is a firmware update program that allows updating the firmware on the motherboard and other connected devices.