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Isn't the biggest mobile use case where you don't want to be secretly recorded in public? This was a big concern with the original Google Glass.
by arionmiles 11mo ago
Isn't the biggest mobile use case where you don't want to be secretly recorded in public? This was a big concern with the original Google Glass.
- littlestymaar 11mo agoThe idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. But I think the only valid way yo prevent this will be legislation though, it's not a fight individuals can win on their own.
- lukan 11mo ago"But I think the only valid way yo prevent this will be legislation though, it's not a fight individuals can win on their own." It will need both. Secretly recording in the public is already prohibited in many if not most jurisdictions, but ad far as I know, not really prosecuted.
- hackingonempty 11mo agoIn the USA, at least, the right to record in public is protected by the First Amendment.
- ajsnigrutin 11mo agoIn most eu countries, you can record in public, but gathering identifying data ("making a database") is strictly regulated, and that includes faces from those photos. You can't even point a security camera at public areas (ie. outdoor camera recording the street infront of your house), because that's enough data to make it a "database".
- circuit10 11mo agoYou can record in public, but you can’t point cameras at public areas? That seems contradictory Or is it the fact that it’s always recording that makes the difference or something?
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo agoShort answer is its complicated and will vary from member state to member state. My parental unit had a dispute with neighbor over where his camera is pointed and filed some motion to see what he does with it ( 'not making a database' part ), but the law was mostly toothless as the enforcement of it lacked. On the other hand, the dispute part of the real estate was handed real toot sweet, because everyone and their mother cares about outcomes in those. tldr: I wish I could tell you there is a simple tldr
- jorvi 11mo ago> toot sweet Not sure if intentional but just in case: the usual term is "tout de suite"
- tomalpha 11mo agoIt might be in the original French, but it’s been anglicised and adopted as an English language term: https://www.oed.com/dictionary/toot-sweet_adv?tl=true https://www.oed.com/dictionary/toot-sweet_adv?tl=true
- littlestymaar 11mo ago“The English language doesn't exist, it's just badly pronounced French” strikes again.
- falcor84 11mo agoI love this way English has of swallowing and digesting terms from other languages. https://www.oed.com/dictionary/the-tooter-the-sweeter_phr https://www.oed.com/dictionary/the-tooter-the-sweeter_phr
- kjellsbells 11mo agoThere's also the UK practice of deliberately mangling French for comedic effect, as in Del Boy's cries of "Bain Marie!" and "chateuneuf-de-paper!" on 1980s TV. Saying "Toot sweet" can fit right into that bucket.
- Lio 11mo agoWe have a similar law in the UK but it does depend on what you mean by public place. In somewhere like a public toilet block, at least here in the UK, you have an expectation of privacy. If some creep in Meta glasses is filming you take a piss then they are breaking the law. If you were on a public beach sun bathing then you probably don't have that expectation of privacy.
- littlestymaar 11mo agoSome right to record in public may be protected by the current jurisprudence invoking the first amendment, but the first amendment itself obviously doesn't say anything about the right to record in public: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
- delichon 11mo agoIt's a bank shot. SCOTUS has recognized that newsgathering gets some first amendment protection because "without some protection for seeking out the news, freedom of the press could be eviscerated" (Branzburg v Hayes).
- littlestymaar 11mo agoOne could argue that having a contractor of US intelligence service (Google) collecting data on every citizens all the time isn't exactly “news gathering” and ought to be prevented if one wanted to abid to the spirit of the Constitution.
- hackingonempty 11mo agoRecording is writing, which is speech, which is protected.
- littlestymaar 11mo ago“Performance is speech, murder is performance, hence murder is protected” Fortunately it doesn't work like that. Also not every speech is protected, you aren't allowed to leak classified info even though doing that is purely speech.
- iamnothere 11mo agoPrivate businesses, however, can choose to refuse service for any reason as long as it’s not discriminatory. If enough businesses collaborated to create a “no camera glasses” policy, people might be less likely to buy them. This could keep the market small. Perhaps a good approach would be to pressure businesses about this. Frankly they probably don’t want pervasive recording of their employees anyway.
- amitav1 11mo agoI highly doubt that businesses will take a stand against these camera glasses. The kind of people that buy these smart glasses are usually a) wealthy, and b) not very frugal. What business would want to turn away the people with lots of money?
- astura 11mo agoPlus the footage goes on social media as free advertising.
- School-Cotton 11mo ago> What business would want to turn away the people with lots of money? Plenty? Random dive bars, for example, probably don’t care how rich you are (it’s not like a millionaire is going to buy 10x more $5 beers than an average person).
- iamnothere 11mo agoWalmart? Target? Other large retailers who don’t want people covertly filming employee interactions for “content?”
- sghiassy 11mo agoI’m d assume businesses like social media attention, so if these cameras post to Social Media that’s free advertising. Also, how would you differentiate banning cameras on glasses vs cameras on smartphones. It could get murky
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- brador 11mo agoThe kinetic solution starts at misdemeanour.
- throwaway808081 11mo agoDo not expect this from the UK. That fight despite millions of signatures was batted down: The UK is introducing passed legislation that citizens' digital IDs are owned by a Google or Apple smartphone. The UK already have such laws active and in force that company directors must submit their information through an app available only from Google or Apple. It is clear 'digital IDs' will go the same way. It's not about age or attribute verification. It's about tracking. Which Google excel at, the only alternative Apple and their opt-in. Governments are quite happy making citizens have megacorps track their lives.
- graemep 11mo agoDigital ID legislation has not been introduced. Company directors do not have to use the app. The app is one of three ways of doing it.
- alexfoo 11mo ago> The idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. That's very similar to the basis of _The Circle_ by Dave Eggers.
- dotancohen 11mo agoIt's not only personal advertisements for consumerism. It's also personalized political messages. That is dangerous to the nations and states and their citizens.
- jeroenhd 11mo agoSo Ring doorbells and networked CCTV? We're there already. Billboards alongside roads containing targeted advertising already exist, too. I'm not too fussed about the advertisers in this aspect. The people these companies sell data too not meant for advertising are much more dangerous. That includes the government.
- merely-unlikely 11mo agoCorporations don't need cameras to track people, they have had the ability to track bluetooth emissions for well over a decade. Unless you turn off a lot of connectivity settings, smartphones are pretty much open tracking devices. [1]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluet...
- fennecfoxy 11mo agoIf I want to record you, you'd never know. https://www.dpreview.com/news/4272574802/omnivision-has-created-the-world-s-smallest-commercially-available-image-sensor https://www.dpreview.com/news/4272574802/omnivision-has-crea... So all the people blathering about camera in public have a moot point. All the whining does is prevent the fairly obvious camera being put into devices. But if someone wants to record you in public otherwise, they will and there's nothing you or any of us can do about it.
- probably_wrong 11mo agoThe thing is, every beginner lockpicker makes a similar point when they realize how easy most locks are: "what's the point of locking my door if anyone can easily get in anyway?". I think the same answers apply here: because making it harder to be casually recorded sends a clear signal that you don't want it, and now the act of recording goes from being an oversight to a deliberate, sometimes punishable act.
- somethingsome 11mo agoIt becomes an oversight to a deliberate act only if the recording person knows that he was detected. So that means that your anti recording glasses should signal 'no recording' in some way. Otherwise it's not really useful.. But at that point.. You can just stick a qrcode on you with the message 'no recording please look away from me'.
- arionmiles 11mo agoI think people are getting lost in the weeds here. The idea with detection is not to prevent public recording, it's to _know_ you're being recorded so you can act accordingly.
- astura 11mo ago>The thing is, every beginner lockpicker makes a similar point when they realize how easy most locks are: "what's the point of locking my door if anyone can easily get in anyway?". No they don't. I'm a beginner lockpicker and so far I've only been able pick a 2 pin lock once. Have not been able to repeat it. Have not been able to rake any lock open. Lockpicking is much more of a skill than people online give credit. People on the Internet always acting like lockpicking is just as easy as using the key for any old novice.
- tjpnz 11mo agoMassive problem in Japan where the issue of sex pests and covert recordings comes up every other day in the media. I suspect it's one of the reasons why Japan isn't on the list of supported countries for the Meta glasses. I hope it stays that way.
- AlecSchueler 11mo ago> sex pests and covert recordings comes up every other day in the media. These are also issues where we live, they just don't get the same media attention.
- _aavaa_ 11mo agoDo companies sell phones/cameras that take photos without making a sound? Cause they all make sounds in Japan because of how bad the sex pest problem is.
- AlecSchueler 11mo agoThe suggestion seems to be that lax governmental attitudes towards the voyeurism risk indicates that the risk itself is lower but I don't believe that's necessarily true or that it would contradict my statement above even if it were.