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This will not change anytime soon; the "women are wonderful" talk is as relevant as it has ever been. Regardless of the criteria you choose to establish a rank

This will not change anytime soon; the "women are wonderful" talk is as relevant as it has ever been. Regardless of the criteria you choose to establish a ranking, males dominate the bottom of that ranking.

oulipo2 1y ago
You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. We don't have what we want because we're in a ruthless capitalist society, directed by stupidoes like Trump and Musk
- lelanthran 1y ago
  > You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. Knee-jerk much? How on earth did you get "put down women" from what I wrote? > People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. Where did you read that in the tiny little snippet I wrote? Let me be clear, so that there is no misunderstanding - 1. Men dominate the bottom of almost every ranking. This is just another ranking. Maybe before we try to fix this specific ranking, we should be asking ourselves why men are at the bottom in every ranking.
- close04 1y ago
  > to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women For sure you don't have to put women as a whole down. But society and media these days are generally dominated by the most toxic voices. Toxic feminism is a big issue, that's what we have to put down for this particular purpose.
- philipallstar 1y ago
  > You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women The reverse of this has been what's been dominating for a decade. Anything pro-men (or even just neutral) can be accused of being anti-woman, which creates a chilling effect as female-dominated HR departments can make life very difficult for men looking to provide for their families.
  - ml-anon 1y ago
    Discrimination along protected attributes such as gender would be highly illegal though, so no doubt you’d have tons of evidence to present beyond “gossipy HR ladies”.
    - philipallstar 1y ago
      I didn't mention gossip at all. Are you pretending to quote something I never said, to just perfectly illustrate the bad faith nonsense that is ever-injected into even simple conversations about this topic? It might be worth Googling James Damore as an early example of this chilling effect.
      - ml-anon 1y ago
        ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination.
        lelanthran 1y ago
        > ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination. This seems like a very roundabout way of saying there was no evidence of discrimination against women :-/ Where are you going with this? Because if "no evidence == did not happen", then that's true for the decades prior to the 90s, right?
  - oulipo2 1y ago
    Absolutely untrue. Feminism has NEVER been against men. Only people who half-ass reading about feminism, and rely too much on stupid far-right videos on TikTok believe that
satisfice 1y ago
We are number one on the rankings of type of people most likely to take over a country by force. Or did something change since I last saw the news?
- akimbostrawman 1y ago
  We are also number one on the ranking of saving children out of a burning building or otherwise sacrificing ourself for others. I am tired of this self-righteous self hatred.
  - satisfice 1y ago
    Damn straight.
- imtringued 1y ago
  You won't see men quietly building society in the news or in toxic internet communities (specifically the anti male ones). That's what you're missing. The force needed to stab someone is the same force needed to hammer nails or lift 30kg bags. If you fear the former then you also don't deserve the latter.
  - satisfice 1y ago
    In a world where men are depressed and without direction, the world suffers and then dies. Birthrates drop and wars rage. Society spins to pieces. A wise feminist would be doing everything she could to create a world of strong men who lead compassion. A world of confused, frustrated men will never be safe or sustainable.

oulipo2 1y ago

You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. We don't have what we want because we're in a ruthless capitalist society, directed by stupidoes like Trump and Musk

lelanthran 1y ago
> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. Knee-jerk much? How on earth did you get "put down women" from what I wrote? > People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. Where did you read that in the tiny little snippet I wrote? Let me be clear, so that there is no misunderstanding - 1. Men dominate the bottom of almost every ranking. This is just another ranking. Maybe before we try to fix this specific ranking, we should be asking ourselves why men are at the bottom in every ranking.
close04 1y ago
> to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women For sure you don't have to put women as a whole down. But society and media these days are generally dominated by the most toxic voices. Toxic feminism is a big issue, that's what we have to put down for this particular purpose.
philipallstar 1y ago
> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women The reverse of this has been what's been dominating for a decade. Anything pro-men (or even just neutral) can be accused of being anti-woman, which creates a chilling effect as female-dominated HR departments can make life very difficult for men looking to provide for their families.
- ml-anon 1y ago
  Discrimination along protected attributes such as gender would be highly illegal though, so no doubt you’d have tons of evidence to present beyond “gossipy HR ladies”.
  - philipallstar 1y ago
    I didn't mention gossip at all. Are you pretending to quote something I never said, to just perfectly illustrate the bad faith nonsense that is ever-injected into even simple conversations about this topic? It might be worth Googling James Damore as an early example of this chilling effect.
    - ml-anon 1y ago
      ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination.
      - lelanthran 1y ago
        > ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination. This seems like a very roundabout way of saying there was no evidence of discrimination against women :-/ Where are you going with this? Because if "no evidence == did not happen", then that's true for the decades prior to the 90s, right?
- oulipo2 1y ago
  Absolutely untrue. Feminism has NEVER been against men. Only people who half-ass reading about feminism, and rely too much on stupid far-right videos on TikTok believe that

satisfice 1y ago

We are number one on the rankings of type of people most likely to take over a country by force. Or did something change since I last saw the news?

akimbostrawman 1y ago
We are also number one on the ranking of saving children out of a burning building or otherwise sacrificing ourself for others. I am tired of this self-righteous self hatred.
- satisfice 1y ago
  Damn straight.
imtringued 1y ago
You won't see men quietly building society in the news or in toxic internet communities (specifically the anti male ones). That's what you're missing. The force needed to stab someone is the same force needed to hammer nails or lift 30kg bags. If you fear the former then you also don't deserve the latter.
- satisfice 1y ago
  In a world where men are depressed and without direction, the world suffers and then dies. Birthrates drop and wars rage. Society spins to pieces. A wise feminist would be doing everything she could to create a world of strong men who lead compassion. A world of confused, frustrated men will never be safe or sustainable.