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You have accused me of "shitting in Rust threads". Do you have any evidence for this libel?

by AndyKelley 11mo ago

echelon 11mo ago
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- JuniperMesos 11mo ago
  It's completely fine for someone working on a programming language that is useful for some of the same things as Rust to compare that language to Rust, including in ways that make the language not seem as good. Indeed, this is useful information for someone who is using Rust and is considering using Zig (or vice-versa), or who is new to both languages and trying to figure out which is better for their use case.
  - echelon 11mo ago
    You seem to be running a lot of interference in this thread. In what way is the tone of the linked messages appropriate?
    - temptemptemp111 11mo ago
      [dead]
    - JuniperMesos 11mo ago
      In what way is the tone of the linked messages not appropriate? Rust is a programming language, not a sacred object. It's fine to say that a different programming language does something better than it, regardless of whether or not you're the developer of that language. To be clear I like Rust and use it frequently and have for about as long as it's been publicly released, whereas I have only played around a little bit with Zig and I suspect I won't like it as much as Rust even when it's feature-complete. But I don't like seeing an attempt to enforce a social norm that it's wrong to point out shortcomings of Rust, especially when it's aimed at people doing the interesting and valuable work of exploring other areas of the systems programming language design space that Rust is not doing.
- dboon 11mo ago
  I can't imagine being someone like Andrew, or any BDFL of a popular open source project, and having to deal with folks like this. Imagine posting a timed output of your compiler on a thread about a similar language's slow compiler and having someone cite this as bad behavior. Anyway, the clear absurdity of this particular post aside, it's not OK to call other people monkeys. I make no statement on the quality of their engineering. But they're people! I'd hope to see a quiet dignity from the Zig folks here. They've done so much excellent work, and I'm sure it's frustrating to see what software can be and then have it sharply laid against what software often is. But kindness is always the way. Thanks to everyone involved with Zig for their work and love of software!
  - echelon 11mo ago
    > Imagine posting a timed output of your compiler on a thread about a similar language's slow compiler and having someone cite this as bad behavior. That was the entirety of the contribution. It was gloating. And there is a long history of this. There's open source contributions, and then there's this. > Anyway, the clear absurdity of this particular post aside, it's not OK to call other people monkeys. You don't see how the two are related?
vips7L 11mo ago
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You have accused me of "shitting in Rust threads". Do you have any evidence for this libel?

echelon 11mo ago

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JuniperMesos 11mo ago
It's completely fine for someone working on a programming language that is useful for some of the same things as Rust to compare that language to Rust, including in ways that make the language not seem as good. Indeed, this is useful information for someone who is using Rust and is considering using Zig (or vice-versa), or who is new to both languages and trying to figure out which is better for their use case.
- echelon 11mo ago
  You seem to be running a lot of interference in this thread. In what way is the tone of the linked messages appropriate?
  - temptemptemp111 11mo ago
    [dead]
  - JuniperMesos 11mo ago
    In what way is the tone of the linked messages not appropriate? Rust is a programming language, not a sacred object. It's fine to say that a different programming language does something better than it, regardless of whether or not you're the developer of that language. To be clear I like Rust and use it frequently and have for about as long as it's been publicly released, whereas I have only played around a little bit with Zig and I suspect I won't like it as much as Rust even when it's feature-complete. But I don't like seeing an attempt to enforce a social norm that it's wrong to point out shortcomings of Rust, especially when it's aimed at people doing the interesting and valuable work of exploring other areas of the systems programming language design space that Rust is not doing.
dboon 11mo ago
I can't imagine being someone like Andrew, or any BDFL of a popular open source project, and having to deal with folks like this. Imagine posting a timed output of your compiler on a thread about a similar language's slow compiler and having someone cite this as bad behavior. Anyway, the clear absurdity of this particular post aside, it's not OK to call other people monkeys. I make no statement on the quality of their engineering. But they're people! I'd hope to see a quiet dignity from the Zig folks here. They've done so much excellent work, and I'm sure it's frustrating to see what software can be and then have it sharply laid against what software often is. But kindness is always the way. Thanks to everyone involved with Zig for their work and love of software!
- echelon 11mo ago
  > Imagine posting a timed output of your compiler on a thread about a similar language's slow compiler and having someone cite this as bad behavior. That was the entirety of the contribution. It was gloating. And there is a long history of this. There's open source contributions, and then there's this. > Anyway, the clear absurdity of this particular post aside, it's not OK to call other people monkeys. You don't see how the two are related?

vips7L 11mo ago

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