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I assume this is a delay to get a foot in the door. After some time, the scanning will be made no longer voluntary. One has to take rights away slowly, otherwi

by tux3 11mo ago

I assume this is a delay to get a foot in the door. After some time, the scanning will be made no longer voluntary. One has to take rights away slowly, otherwise the frog jumps before you can boil it.

foofoo12 11mo ago
"voluntary" can also be pretty meaningless depending on the context. In the UK, if the police suspects you of shenanigans, they'll politely invite you for an "voluntary interview". Of course you can decide to not go, it's voluntary, right? Yes, you can. Your choice. And when you reject their kind offer they'll come and arrest you so you can attend the interview.
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mckirk 11mo ago
While I fully agree with your sentiment, I'd like to take the opportunity to share a favorite fun-fact of mine: the frogs in the not-jumping-out experiment had their brains removed beforehand. Which might make the analogy more apt, actually, considering how much under siege our attention is these days.
- rightbyte 11mo ago
  Really? So "boiling the frog" saying should really mean "peripheral reflexes does not react to slow changes"?
  - orwin 11mo ago
    Yes. If you slowly boil a frog with a brain, it will jump out once the temperature is uncomfortable.
- permo-w 11mo ago
  >the not-jumping-out experiment you mean cooking a frog? I'm not aware that the phrase refers to an experiment, rather a cooking pot, and anything with its brain removed is dead anyway? anyway, the same can equally be said for flies. if you swat fast at a landed fly it will notice and fly away; however if you bring the swatter close slowly and evenly the fly will allow it close enough that there's no escape
  - orwin 11mo ago
    If you slowly boil any animal with a brain that can move out your boiling recipient, it will move out once the temperature is uncomfortable, way before any danger. The expression always seemed dumb to me, but now that I know where it came from, I'm vindicated.
    - permo-w 11mo ago
      where are you suggesting it came from?
ekianjo 11mo ago
> The scanning will be made no longer voluntary. Yes, it's always like that. Eat piece by piece until nothing is left to eat.

by tux3 11mo ago

foofoo12 11mo ago

"voluntary" can also be pretty meaningless depending on the context. In the UK, if the police suspects you of shenanigans, they'll politely invite you for an "voluntary interview". Of course you can decide to not go, it's voluntary, right? Yes, you can. Your choice. And when you reject their kind offer they'll come and arrest you so you can attend the interview.

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mckirk 11mo ago

While I fully agree with your sentiment, I'd like to take the opportunity to share a favorite fun-fact of mine: the frogs in the not-jumping-out experiment had their brains removed beforehand. Which might make the analogy more apt, actually, considering how much under siege our attention is these days.

rightbyte 11mo ago
Really? So "boiling the frog" saying should really mean "peripheral reflexes does not react to slow changes"?
- orwin 11mo ago
  Yes. If you slowly boil a frog with a brain, it will jump out once the temperature is uncomfortable.
permo-w 11mo ago
>the not-jumping-out experiment you mean cooking a frog? I'm not aware that the phrase refers to an experiment, rather a cooking pot, and anything with its brain removed is dead anyway? anyway, the same can equally be said for flies. if you swat fast at a landed fly it will notice and fly away; however if you bring the swatter close slowly and evenly the fly will allow it close enough that there's no escape
- orwin 11mo ago
  If you slowly boil any animal with a brain that can move out your boiling recipient, it will move out once the temperature is uncomfortable, way before any danger. The expression always seemed dumb to me, but now that I know where it came from, I'm vindicated.
  - permo-w 11mo ago
    where are you suggesting it came from?

ekianjo 11mo ago

> The scanning will be made no longer voluntary. Yes, it's always like that. Eat piece by piece until nothing is left to eat.