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> …it's not Webkit that's the better core now. I'm curious about your definition of "better". It's nice that Google is catching up to Safari on Speedometer ben

by CharlesW 11mo ago

> …it's not Webkit that's the better core now. I'm curious about your definition of "better". It's nice that Google is catching up to Safari on Speedometer benchmarks (Blink was 20% slower a year ago), so at minimum one can appreciate Safari for being the mechanical hare that triggers Google's prey instinct. Bun chose WebKit's JavaScriptCore for performance reasons. Safari's supposedly-poor support for web standards is mostly Google propaganda.

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bigyabai 11mo ago
> Safari's supposedly-poor support for web standards is mostly Google propaganda. I don't think that users "mostly" agree. Safari's market share on macOS craters compared to Chrome: https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-2025-q1#id-7-market-share-by-os https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-20... Google propaganda or not, Mac owners aren't sticking with this "superior" preeinstalled browser tech. And I get it, as a Linux user I find WebKit intolerable compared with Blink and even Gecko.
- Terretta 11mo ago
  > Mac owners aren't sticking with preinstall... Installing Chrome on MacOS is a cargo cult thing. Devs tell everyone to install Chrome, and everyone tells everyone else to install Chrome. (Except some devs who tell some friends to install Firefox.) Zero devs say install Safari, it's already there. And there's no hip narrative for just using what's there even though it saves energy, protects privacy, seamlessly works across devices, and more. Safari's problem: it doesn't signal tech savvy (Chrome) or anti-establishment (Firefox).
burnte 11mo ago
Amongst many other things, I need to deal with web sites and webapps, and without fail Safari users are the ones who hit the most bugs. Sometimes to the point I'll straight up state ahead of time that we will not spend extra time supporting Safari on MacOS. If it's propaganda, then it's incredibly effective.

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bigyabai 11mo ago

> Safari's supposedly-poor support for web standards is mostly Google propaganda. I don't think that users "mostly" agree. Safari's market share on macOS craters compared to Chrome: https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-2025-q1#id-7-market-share-by-os https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-20... Google propaganda or not, Mac owners aren't sticking with this "superior" preeinstalled browser tech. And I get it, as a Linux user I find WebKit intolerable compared with Blink and even Gecko.

Terretta 11mo ago
> Mac owners aren't sticking with preinstall... Installing Chrome on MacOS is a cargo cult thing. Devs tell everyone to install Chrome, and everyone tells everyone else to install Chrome. (Except some devs who tell some friends to install Firefox.) Zero devs say install Safari, it's already there. And there's no hip narrative for just using what's there even though it saves energy, protects privacy, seamlessly works across devices, and more. Safari's problem: it doesn't signal tech savvy (Chrome) or anti-establishment (Firefox).

burnte 11mo ago

Amongst many other things, I need to deal with web sites and webapps, and without fail Safari users are the ones who hit the most bugs. Sometimes to the point I'll straight up state ahead of time that we will not spend extra time supporting Safari on MacOS. If it's propaganda, then it's incredibly effective.