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Just seeing that sentence fragment about "structures of power and violence" told me so much about the author. Its the sort of language that brings with it a who

by octorian 10mo ago

Just seeing that sentence fragment about "structures of power and violence" told me so much about the author. Its the sort of language that brings with it a whole host of stereotypes, some of which were immediately confirmed with a little more digging (and others would require way too much effort to confirm, but likely could be). And yes, this whole "capitalism bad" mentality I see in tech does kinda irk me. Why? Because it was capitalism that gave them the tools to be who they are and the opportunities to do what they do.

thewebguyd 10mo ago
> And yes, this whole "capitalism bad" mentality I see in tech does kinda irk me. Why? Because it was capitalism that gave them the tools to be who they are and the opportunities to do what they do. It's not hard to see why that mentality exists though. That same capitalism also gave rise to the behemoth, abusive monopolies we have today. It gave rise to the over financialization of the sector and declining product quality because you get richer doing stock buybacks and rent-seeking instead of making a better product. Early hacker culture was also very much not pro-capitalism. The core principle of "Information should be free" itself is a statement against artificial scarcity and anti-proprietary systems, directly opposed to the capitalist ethos of locking up knowledge for profit. The FOSS we use and love rose directly from this culture, which is fundamentally communal, not capitalist.
Glemkloksdjf 10mo ago
Capitalism is bad. I'm not ignorant to this fact that it helped us for quite a long time but it also created climate change. Overpopulation. We are still stuck on planet earth, have not figured out the reason for live or the origin of the universe. I would prefer a world were we think about using all the resources earth provides sustainable and how to use them the most efficient way for the max amount of human beings. The rest of it we would use to advance society. I would like to have Post-Scarcity Scientific Humanism
- maddmann 10mo ago
  How did capitalism create overpopulation? Isn’t that more related to agriculture and better medical tech?
  - Glemkloksdjf 10mo ago
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- jimbokun 10mo ago
  You would need to demonstrate that some other system would have given us all the things you want while avoiding every problem you cite, while not introducing other comparable or worse problems.
  - Glemkloksdjf 10mo ago
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QuercusMax 10mo ago
You're completely ignoring the huge amount of public money that went into building the Internet and doing research. Capitalism didn't build the internet: public spending did.
_DeadFred_ 10mo ago
The government and military spending gave us the tools we have today.

thewebguyd 10mo ago

> And yes, this whole "capitalism bad" mentality I see in tech does kinda irk me. Why? Because it was capitalism that gave them the tools to be who they are and the opportunities to do what they do. It's not hard to see why that mentality exists though. That same capitalism also gave rise to the behemoth, abusive monopolies we have today. It gave rise to the over financialization of the sector and declining product quality because you get richer doing stock buybacks and rent-seeking instead of making a better product. Early hacker culture was also very much not pro-capitalism. The core principle of "Information should be free" itself is a statement against artificial scarcity and anti-proprietary systems, directly opposed to the capitalist ethos of locking up knowledge for profit. The FOSS we use and love rose directly from this culture, which is fundamentally communal, not capitalist.

Glemkloksdjf 10mo ago

Capitalism is bad. I'm not ignorant to this fact that it helped us for quite a long time but it also created climate change. Overpopulation. We are still stuck on planet earth, have not figured out the reason for live or the origin of the universe. I would prefer a world were we think about using all the resources earth provides sustainable and how to use them the most efficient way for the max amount of human beings. The rest of it we would use to advance society. I would like to have Post-Scarcity Scientific Humanism

maddmann 10mo ago
How did capitalism create overpopulation? Isn’t that more related to agriculture and better medical tech?
- Glemkloksdjf 10mo ago
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jimbokun 10mo ago
You would need to demonstrate that some other system would have given us all the things you want while avoiding every problem you cite, while not introducing other comparable or worse problems.
- Glemkloksdjf 10mo ago
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QuercusMax 10mo ago

You're completely ignoring the huge amount of public money that went into building the Internet and doing research. Capitalism didn't build the internet: public spending did.

_DeadFred_ 10mo ago

The government and military spending gave us the tools we have today.