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The future is now old man.

by theoldgreybeard 11mo ago

panzi 11mo ago
The future seems buggy and incomplete.
- bboozzoo 11mo ago
  But it's coming anyway, whether people like it or not. FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working.
  - panzi 11mo ago
    My problems with Wayland are KDE specific. I tired it, but there where so many window management regressions and sometimes graphical glitches that I switched back. But that was under plasma 6.4. Have to try again now on 6.5 to see if these issues are fixed. If not I should write a bug report, I guess. Also there needs to be an alternative for (or patch to) simplescreenrecorder that works under Wayland. I don't want use a complex thing like OBS to make a quick demo video to demonstrate something for a co-worker and stuff.
    - 0134340 11mo ago
      I'm not sure about SSR currently but Kooha and KDE's own Spectacle work on Wayland fine. I'm running Plasma 6.5 on Arch and very pleased with it.
      - panzi 11mo ago
        Didn't know Spectacle can do screen recordings now. Just tried it: The "New Recording" button seems to be broken. It does nothing. No error message on the terminal even. Maybe it only works under Wayland?
        IshKebab 10mo ago
        Yeah same here. Kind of shitty. OBS Studio still works fortunately.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 11mo ago
    > FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working. Applications generally work through XWayland. Accessibility and automation tools do not.
- theoldgreybeard 11mo ago
  That seems to be the mood du-jour - see also: rust coreutils in Ubuntu.
  - panzi 11mo ago
    Personally I like Rust, but I'm against rewriting old well tested tools in Rust just because. There is this opinion out there that Rust devs rewrite everything for no good reason, but I only really saw that happening in coreutils and sudo. In the other cases that I heard of the rewrite wasn't from C/C++ (but e.g. from JavaScript and they need more speed) or they needed a rewrite anyway for different reasons (e.g. first working parallel style calculation in Firefox). So I'm very skeptical of the coreutils rewrite. In the current state it's incomplete, slower (not optimized), and replacing all GPL code with MIT/BSD code also feels strange to me.
mx7zysuj4xew 11mo ago
Why do you think it's acceptable to insult someone when they have a legitimate concern regarding a software defect?
- theoldgreybeard 11mo ago
  Oops...I dropped this /s Just so I'm clear: I still think it's too early to drop X11 support (even though Wayland has been basically fine for me for a long time).
- MyOutfitIsVague 11mo ago
  For the record, it's a Malcolm in the Middle reference: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CzBi5tIfzK4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=CzBi5tIfzK4

The future is now old man.

panzi 11mo ago

The future seems buggy and incomplete.

bboozzoo 11mo ago
But it's coming anyway, whether people like it or not. FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working.
- panzi 11mo ago
  My problems with Wayland are KDE specific. I tired it, but there where so many window management regressions and sometimes graphical glitches that I switched back. But that was under plasma 6.4. Have to try again now on 6.5 to see if these issues are fixed. If not I should write a bug report, I guess. Also there needs to be an alternative for (or patch to) simplescreenrecorder that works under Wayland. I don't want use a complex thing like OBS to make a quick demo video to demonstrate something for a co-worker and stuff.
  - 0134340 11mo ago
    I'm not sure about SSR currently but Kooha and KDE's own Spectacle work on Wayland fine. I'm running Plasma 6.5 on Arch and very pleased with it.
    - panzi 11mo ago
      Didn't know Spectacle can do screen recordings now. Just tried it: The "New Recording" button seems to be broken. It does nothing. No error message on the terminal even. Maybe it only works under Wayland?
      - IshKebab 10mo ago
        Yeah same here. Kind of shitty. OBS Studio still works fortunately.
- yjftsjthsd-h 11mo ago
  > FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working. Applications generally work through XWayland. Accessibility and automation tools do not.
theoldgreybeard 11mo ago
That seems to be the mood du-jour - see also: rust coreutils in Ubuntu.
- panzi 11mo ago
  Personally I like Rust, but I'm against rewriting old well tested tools in Rust just because. There is this opinion out there that Rust devs rewrite everything for no good reason, but I only really saw that happening in coreutils and sudo. In the other cases that I heard of the rewrite wasn't from C/C++ (but e.g. from JavaScript and they need more speed) or they needed a rewrite anyway for different reasons (e.g. first working parallel style calculation in Firefox). So I'm very skeptical of the coreutils rewrite. In the current state it's incomplete, slower (not optimized), and replacing all GPL code with MIT/BSD code also feels strange to me.

mx7zysuj4xew 11mo ago

Why do you think it's acceptable to insult someone when they have a legitimate concern regarding a software defect?

theoldgreybeard 11mo ago
Oops...I dropped this /s Just so I'm clear: I still think it's too early to drop X11 support (even though Wayland has been basically fine for me for a long time).
MyOutfitIsVague 11mo ago
For the record, it's a Malcolm in the Middle reference: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CzBi5tIfzK4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=CzBi5tIfzK4