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> but ad blocking is definitely piracy This is a huge escalation of an already over-stuffed term. Equating piracy to theft was bad enough, now choosing to not

by komali2 11mo ago

> but ad blocking is definitely piracy This is a huge escalation of an already over-stuffed term. Equating piracy to theft was bad enough, now choosing to not view ads is also piracy, which is theft? I try to be chill here but no, foot down, absolutely not. Blocking ads is nothing more than determing what content comes in on the wire to the computer you own, or what content is rendered in your web browser. That's it. If that means someone isn't making money when they could be, well, too bad so sad. It's like, "if you walk past a Nike store without pausing to hear the sales pitch, you are stealing from Nike." Capitalist hellscape.

HDThoreaun 11mo ago
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- Nextgrid 11mo ago
  I don’t make a deal when I visit a website, and especially not when I have to visit it because it became the de-facto standard when sharing video content. I just get my computer to ask for some bytes and the server happily sends them to me. If the server happened to send me some garbage in addition, I am free to make my computer ignore it.
  - JAlexoid 11mo ago
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    - Nextgrid 11mo ago
      Sosumi? Next time I’ll instead pay someone to watch the videos on my behalf and then summarize me the videos sans-ads. Will you also sumi?
    - komali2 11mo ago
      You claim to know more than us. I would love to be educated: when did I enter into an agreement with YouTube that I must watch ads to use their website? YouTube is sueing me for damages. Their claim: I used their website but didn't watch the ads. (Maybe I used an ad blocker. Maybe I turned off my monitor and unplugged the speakers when the ads played. Maybe I walked away and let the ad play in a different room). What evidence do they submit in court to demonstrate I violated an agreement? You've made quite a few comments across this thread, as have others that support your position. Not even within the YouTube TOS has anyone pointed out a contractual obligation to view ads. Not to mention YouTube doesn't require you to agree to their TOS to view videos. With this in mind, it's perfectly understandable that someone could browse YouTube without any comprehension of something you seem totally confident on. I'm not being goofy here, I understand that YouTube wants me to view ads, I just genuinely am not aware of any contractual obligation to do so if I view videos.
- komali2 11mo ago
  > The deal you make with YouTube is that you watch the ad in exchange for the video. Did I? Can you tell me where I made this deal? I navigated to YouTube.com, I don't see a contract, I don't see a place to sign or a hand to shake. Where is this bilateral agreement? I think what you meant to say was, YouTube really very much wants me to watch their ads, and I don't care to, so I won't. If your counter is that then YouTube will shut down, I say, oh well, I've already archived all the videos I care about, and someone else will replace them, or not, and either way life will go on.
  - JAlexoid 11mo ago
    > I've already archived all the videos I care about That's quite literally what we call piracy.
    - Dylan16807 11mo ago
      What makes it different from VHS?
      - JAlexoid 11mo ago
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        Dylan16807 11mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Unive.... I don't know if you're making some edge case argument without elaborating, or if you're just being ridiculous.
    - justinclift 11mo ago
      No, that's just a you thing.
    - joquarky 11mo ago
      There are at least two words in your comment that do not align semantically with the definitions of those words.
- rmunn 11mo ago
  What deal? What contract? I'm serious. Show me in the Youtube Terms of Service where it says that blocking ads is against the contract. I've looked. Carefully. There is no such language there.
  - HDThoreaun 11mo ago
    What contract do you make when you enter a grocery store?
    - defrost 11mo ago
      Nothing that obligates looking at in-store advertising. Deaf and blind people are allowed to enter despite their inability to see and hear adverts and jingles. Fully able people with headphones that avoid looking at ads are not ejected. You have a very weak position here that isn't advanced by this analogy.
      - HDThoreaun 11mo ago
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        rmunn 11mo ago
        Where's the obligation to watch ads spelled out? The legal obligation to pay for groceries is spelled out in the law: they are the possession of the store, and if you want to acquire them you need to exchange something else of value (money) for them, at which point they become yours. What is the thing that compels you to watch ads on a service like Youtube? There's nothing in the law; if there is anything, it would be spelled out in the Youtube terms of service: https://www.youtube.com/t/terms https://www.youtube.com/t/terms Can you find it for me? I've looked. Many times. It isn't there.
        mrguyorama 11mo ago
        Grocery stores offer free samples and if you walk in, take a free sample, and leave, you are violating no laws, you are not morally depraved, and the store does not consider that a problem. This is true even when that free sample has "rules" like "not for adults" on a jar of cookies. Grocery stores often purposely price things below cost to get you in the door. If you go to your local grocer, buy a hundred subsidized Turkeys and nothing else, you have again committed no crime or moral violation even though you have explicitly cost the company money and they wanted you to buy other things. Terrestrial FM radio and TV broadcasts have existed for decades and both provide ample case law. You are just wrong, and Google knew that when they bought Youtube. Google also regularly reduces the ad pay out to Creators and increases their own take. Google can fuck off.
- venturecruelty 11mo ago
  YouTube sends my browser a lot of data, a LOT of data. It's not my fault if some of that data doesn't make it to the screen, or if hardware on my network blocks certain DNS requests. No, I asked YouTube for a web page, and it sent one back to me. I'm not sure why everyone is so eager to let someone else dictate what code they run on their own machine. It's really strange.
JAlexoid 11mo ago
If we're going with bad analogies I have an opposite one - you're walking past the Nike store and the store has a promotion on "Watch 5 minutes of ads and get a free pair of shoes", but you instead kick the TV with the ads over, grab the shoes and run away. Or are you going to pretend that there's no agreement between you and YouTube that you're going to watch ads in exchange for the free content?
- baumy 11mo ago
  I will not be pretending that. I am _asserting_ it. I made no such agreement with YouTube. I am very confused why you think I did
  - tailrecursion 11mo ago
    I agree with this. There was no meeting of the minds, no contract. But, the terms in the Google account probably include something about the terms for viewing youtube videos.
    - JAlexoid 11mo ago
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      - jemmyw 11mo ago
        > You know that when a public pace of business has "No dogs" sign and you enter it, that you entered into a contract with that business You are incorrect about that, which probably invalidates your other arguments. A condition of entry is not a contract. If you disobey the condition of entry then you have not broken a contract, and nothing changes between you and the business owner. They can ask you to leave and they can trespass you if you do not, but importantly, they can do those things for any reason they like, whether you obey the conditions of entry or not. It is not a contract by law, nor does it meet the definition of a contract. Similarly, YouTube can retract their website from public view, or attempt to block you specifically. But you have not entered into a contract with them by viewing the site.

by komali2 11mo ago

HDThoreaun 11mo ago

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Nextgrid 11mo ago
I don’t make a deal when I visit a website, and especially not when I have to visit it because it became the de-facto standard when sharing video content. I just get my computer to ask for some bytes and the server happily sends them to me. If the server happened to send me some garbage in addition, I am free to make my computer ignore it.
- JAlexoid 11mo ago
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  - Nextgrid 11mo ago
    Sosumi? Next time I’ll instead pay someone to watch the videos on my behalf and then summarize me the videos sans-ads. Will you also sumi?
  - komali2 11mo ago
    You claim to know more than us. I would love to be educated: when did I enter into an agreement with YouTube that I must watch ads to use their website? YouTube is sueing me for damages. Their claim: I used their website but didn't watch the ads. (Maybe I used an ad blocker. Maybe I turned off my monitor and unplugged the speakers when the ads played. Maybe I walked away and let the ad play in a different room). What evidence do they submit in court to demonstrate I violated an agreement? You've made quite a few comments across this thread, as have others that support your position. Not even within the YouTube TOS has anyone pointed out a contractual obligation to view ads. Not to mention YouTube doesn't require you to agree to their TOS to view videos. With this in mind, it's perfectly understandable that someone could browse YouTube without any comprehension of something you seem totally confident on. I'm not being goofy here, I understand that YouTube wants me to view ads, I just genuinely am not aware of any contractual obligation to do so if I view videos.
komali2 11mo ago
> The deal you make with YouTube is that you watch the ad in exchange for the video. Did I? Can you tell me where I made this deal? I navigated to YouTube.com, I don't see a contract, I don't see a place to sign or a hand to shake. Where is this bilateral agreement? I think what you meant to say was, YouTube really very much wants me to watch their ads, and I don't care to, so I won't. If your counter is that then YouTube will shut down, I say, oh well, I've already archived all the videos I care about, and someone else will replace them, or not, and either way life will go on.
- JAlexoid 11mo ago
  > I've already archived all the videos I care about That's quite literally what we call piracy.
  - Dylan16807 11mo ago
    What makes it different from VHS?
    - JAlexoid 11mo ago
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      - Dylan16807 11mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Unive.... I don't know if you're making some edge case argument without elaborating, or if you're just being ridiculous.
  - justinclift 11mo ago
    No, that's just a you thing.
  - joquarky 11mo ago
    There are at least two words in your comment that do not align semantically with the definitions of those words.
rmunn 11mo ago
What deal? What contract? I'm serious. Show me in the Youtube Terms of Service where it says that blocking ads is against the contract. I've looked. Carefully. There is no such language there.
- HDThoreaun 11mo ago
  What contract do you make when you enter a grocery store?
  - defrost 11mo ago
    Nothing that obligates looking at in-store advertising. Deaf and blind people are allowed to enter despite their inability to see and hear adverts and jingles. Fully able people with headphones that avoid looking at ads are not ejected. You have a very weak position here that isn't advanced by this analogy.
    - HDThoreaun 11mo ago
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      - rmunn 11mo ago
        Where's the obligation to watch ads spelled out? The legal obligation to pay for groceries is spelled out in the law: they are the possession of the store, and if you want to acquire them you need to exchange something else of value (money) for them, at which point they become yours. What is the thing that compels you to watch ads on a service like Youtube? There's nothing in the law; if there is anything, it would be spelled out in the Youtube terms of service: https://www.youtube.com/t/terms https://www.youtube.com/t/terms Can you find it for me? I've looked. Many times. It isn't there.
      - mrguyorama 11mo ago
        Grocery stores offer free samples and if you walk in, take a free sample, and leave, you are violating no laws, you are not morally depraved, and the store does not consider that a problem. This is true even when that free sample has "rules" like "not for adults" on a jar of cookies. Grocery stores often purposely price things below cost to get you in the door. If you go to your local grocer, buy a hundred subsidized Turkeys and nothing else, you have again committed no crime or moral violation even though you have explicitly cost the company money and they wanted you to buy other things. Terrestrial FM radio and TV broadcasts have existed for decades and both provide ample case law. You are just wrong, and Google knew that when they bought Youtube. Google also regularly reduces the ad pay out to Creators and increases their own take. Google can fuck off.
venturecruelty 11mo ago
YouTube sends my browser a lot of data, a LOT of data. It's not my fault if some of that data doesn't make it to the screen, or if hardware on my network blocks certain DNS requests. No, I asked YouTube for a web page, and it sent one back to me. I'm not sure why everyone is so eager to let someone else dictate what code they run on their own machine. It's really strange.

JAlexoid 11mo ago

If we're going with bad analogies I have an opposite one - you're walking past the Nike store and the store has a promotion on "Watch 5 minutes of ads and get a free pair of shoes", but you instead kick the TV with the ads over, grab the shoes and run away. Or are you going to pretend that there's no agreement between you and YouTube that you're going to watch ads in exchange for the free content?

baumy 11mo ago
I will not be pretending that. I am _asserting_ it. I made no such agreement with YouTube. I am very confused why you think I did
- tailrecursion 11mo ago
  I agree with this. There was no meeting of the minds, no contract. But, the terms in the Google account probably include something about the terms for viewing youtube videos.
  - JAlexoid 11mo ago
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    - jemmyw 11mo ago
      > You know that when a public pace of business has "No dogs" sign and you enter it, that you entered into a contract with that business You are incorrect about that, which probably invalidates your other arguments. A condition of entry is not a contract. If you disobey the condition of entry then you have not broken a contract, and nothing changes between you and the business owner. They can ask you to leave and they can trespass you if you do not, but importantly, they can do those things for any reason they like, whether you obey the conditions of entry or not. It is not a contract by law, nor does it meet the definition of a contract. Similarly, YouTube can retract their website from public view, or attempt to block you specifically. But you have not entered into a contract with them by viewing the site.