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These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I real

These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

lawlessone 1y ago
I can see why that wasn't sufficient for the US with your commute distances but that probably would have sold well outside the US if they tried.
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dangus 1y ago
Good luck convincing anyone to purchase a two-door vehicle with a below-average sedan-style trunk. It's difficult enough for automakers to sell standard sedans these days, never mind an electric one ($$$) designed around efficiency above all else. The average gas price today in Texas is $2.60. It is not really economically rational for someone to pay a premium for an efficiency-focused EV without some other benefit. I think the closest to what you're asking for is the Model 3, or Ioniq 6: appliance sedans built around efficiency. They don't sell as well as their SUV cousins.
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pnw 1y ago
Why? Almost all two seater vehicles sold in the US are sports cars and trucks for a reason. The demand for two seat subcompacts is very low and previous attempts to sell them have been unsuccessful. The Smart car was available in both ICE and EV models and still failed despite trying for over a decade, and that had the advantage of a smaller parking footprint than the EV1. The Scion IQ was similarly unsuccessful. Despite being a two seater the EV1 is not that small, it's a fraction longer than the Chevy Bolt. I can't see any reason the EV1 form factor would sell today.
mft_ 1y ago
Quite similar to the first gen Honda Insight, which was similarly focussed.
jazzyjackson 1y ago
I hear Aptera is still in the running, still building out their factory for full production. A little 3 wheeled 2 seater available with 250mi to 1000mi batteries. Reminds me of the old first gen Honda insight, unabashedly futuristic.
ErroneousBosh 1y ago
> I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries. Or the first-gen Honda Insight. Take a look at those, and the Citroën CX from 25 years earlier. The CX is what a four-door Insight would have looked like. For me, it's the faired-in rear wheels and narrower track that does it. Instantly futuristic.

lawlessone 1y ago

I can see why that wasn't sufficient for the US with your commute distances but that probably would have sold well outside the US if they tried.

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dangus 1y ago

Good luck convincing anyone to purchase a two-door vehicle with a below-average sedan-style trunk. It's difficult enough for automakers to sell standard sedans these days, never mind an electric one ($$$) designed around efficiency above all else. The average gas price today in Texas is $2.60. It is not really economically rational for someone to pay a premium for an efficiency-focused EV without some other benefit. I think the closest to what you're asking for is the Model 3, or Ioniq 6: appliance sedans built around efficiency. They don't sell as well as their SUV cousins.

dylan604 1y ago
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pnw 1y ago

Why? Almost all two seater vehicles sold in the US are sports cars and trucks for a reason. The demand for two seat subcompacts is very low and previous attempts to sell them have been unsuccessful. The Smart car was available in both ICE and EV models and still failed despite trying for over a decade, and that had the advantage of a smaller parking footprint than the EV1. The Scion IQ was similarly unsuccessful. Despite being a two seater the EV1 is not that small, it's a fraction longer than the Chevy Bolt. I can't see any reason the EV1 form factor would sell today.

mft_ 1y ago

Quite similar to the first gen Honda Insight, which was similarly focussed.

jazzyjackson 1y ago

I hear Aptera is still in the running, still building out their factory for full production. A little 3 wheeled 2 seater available with 250mi to 1000mi batteries. Reminds me of the old first gen Honda insight, unabashedly futuristic.

ErroneousBosh 1y ago

> I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries. Or the first-gen Honda Insight. Take a look at those, and the Citroën CX from 25 years earlier. The CX is what a four-door Insight would have looked like. For me, it's the faired-in rear wheels and narrower track that does it. Instantly futuristic.