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Is it even semi-communism though? IIRC you can't even have an independent union in China

cootsnuck 11mo ago
It's State Capitalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
twoWhlsGud 11mo ago
A bit old, but still relevant (from Dan Wang's book Breakneck which I am very much enjoying): In China, The Communist Party's Latest, Unlikely Target: Young Marxists https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-communist-partys-latest-unlikely-target-young-marxists https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-commun...
kulahan 11mo ago
Of course. They outlawed private schools, get companies to donate multiple % points of their wealth to the state for redistribution, all companies exist purely at the pleasure of the government, nobody's wealth has any effect on their control by the government, etc. It's a super communist state, it just happens to also embrace many parts of Capitalism.
- leosanchez 11mo ago
  I would assume a communist state atleast has independent unions. It looks more like state controls means of production rather than people.
- beepbooptheory 11mo ago
  > It's a super communist state, it just happens to also embrace many parts of Capitalism. This is incredibly confusing thing to say. On its face, its like saying "it's a delicious apple pie, it just happens to embrace many aspects of cyanide" (or reverse cyanide/apple pie here if that its easier for you). But I assume you could say more here? Like can we maybe at least share an understanding here that all the things you cite at the top would also not exist in a communism state? In perhaps an authoritarian state with an otherwise free market, these points make sense, they would succinctly describe that, but for a state that is supposedly precisely communist, these things simply don't apply! Maybe the school thing, but that would imply such a thing would need to be outlawed, which really doesn't make much sense in a communist society/state. I know people get excited thinking about this stuff, I do too! But at the end of the day we must persist in using words precisely, we must at least try for something like semantic consistency. At the very least, so you and I can really see and understand our enemies, right? If I was a guy on another side, I would hope that I'd never mistake one capitalist dog for another paper tiger. It would be at the very least embarrassing! Right?
some_random 11mo ago
The Party is the only Union you need citizen, a Union outside The Party is definitionally a Reactionary, Revisionist, Capitalist, Fascist, Enemy of The State. We outlawed 996, why would you need anyone else?
Libidinalecon 11mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_theory_(Deng_Xiaoping) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_theory_(Deng_Xiaoping)

It's State Capitalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

A bit old, but still relevant (from Dan Wang's book Breakneck which I am very much enjoying): In China, The Communist Party's Latest, Unlikely Target: Young Marxists https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-communist-partys-latest-unlikely-target-young-marxists https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-commun...

kulahan 11mo ago

Of course. They outlawed private schools, get companies to donate multiple % points of their wealth to the state for redistribution, all companies exist purely at the pleasure of the government, nobody's wealth has any effect on their control by the government, etc. It's a super communist state, it just happens to also embrace many parts of Capitalism.

leosanchez 11mo ago
I would assume a communist state atleast has independent unions. It looks more like state controls means of production rather than people.
beepbooptheory 11mo ago
> It's a super communist state, it just happens to also embrace many parts of Capitalism. This is incredibly confusing thing to say. On its face, its like saying "it's a delicious apple pie, it just happens to embrace many aspects of cyanide" (or reverse cyanide/apple pie here if that its easier for you). But I assume you could say more here? Like can we maybe at least share an understanding here that all the things you cite at the top would also not exist in a communism state? In perhaps an authoritarian state with an otherwise free market, these points make sense, they would succinctly describe that, but for a state that is supposedly precisely communist, these things simply don't apply! Maybe the school thing, but that would imply such a thing would need to be outlawed, which really doesn't make much sense in a communist society/state. I know people get excited thinking about this stuff, I do too! But at the end of the day we must persist in using words precisely, we must at least try for something like semantic consistency. At the very least, so you and I can really see and understand our enemies, right? If I was a guy on another side, I would hope that I'd never mistake one capitalist dog for another paper tiger. It would be at the very least embarrassing! Right?

some_random 11mo ago

The Party is the only Union you need citizen, a Union outside The Party is definitionally a Reactionary, Revisionist, Capitalist, Fascist, Enemy of The State. We outlawed 996, why would you need anyone else?

Libidinalecon 11mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_theory_(Deng_Xiaoping) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_theory_(Deng_Xiaoping)