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This. If you never train stick, you can never drive stick, just automatic. And if you never let a real person break your heart or otherwise disappoint you, you'

This. If you never train stick, you can never drive stick, just automatic. And if you never let a real person break your heart or otherwise disappoint you, you'll never be ready for real people.

DocTomoe 11mo ago
Ah, 'suffering builds character'. I haven't had that one in a while. Maybe we should not want to get prepared for RealPeople™ if all they can do is break us and disappoint us. "But RealPeople™ can also elevate, surprise, and enchant you!" you may intervene. They sure than. An still, some may decide no longer to go for new rounds of Russian roulette. Someone like that is not a lesser person, they still have real™ enjoyment in a hundred other aspects in their life from music to being a food nerd. they just don't make their happiness dependant on volatile actors. AI chatbots as relationship replacements are, in many ways, flight simulators: Are they 'the real thing'? Nah, sitting in a real Cessna almost always beats a computer screen and a keyboard. Are they always a worse situation than 'the real thing'? Simulators sure beat reality when reality is 'dual engine flameout halfway over the North Pacific' Are they cheaper? YES, significantly! Are they 'good enough'? For many, they are. Are they 'syncophantic'? Yes, insofar as that circumstances are decided beforehand. A 'real' pilot doesn't get to choose 'blue skies, little sheep clouds in the sky', they only get to chosen not to fly that day. And the standard weather settings? Not exactly 'hurricane, category 5'. Are they available, while real flight is not, to some or all members of the public? Generally yes. The simulator doesn't make you have a current medical. Are they removing pilots/humans from 'the scene'? No, not really. In fact, many pilots fly simulators for risk-free training of extreme situations. Your argument is basically 'A flight simulator won’t teach you what it feels like when the engine coughs for real at 1000 ft above ground and your hands shake on the yoke.'. No, it doesn't. An frankly, there are experiences you can live without - especially those you may not survive (emotionally). Society has always had the tendency to pathologize those who do not pursue a sexual relationship as lesser humans. (Especially) single women that were too happy in the medevieal age? Witches that needed burning. Guy who preferred reading to dancing? A 'weirdo and a creep'. English knows 'master' for the unmarried, 'incomplete' man, an 'mister' for the one who got married. And today? those who are incapable or unwilling to participate in the dating scene are branded 'girlfailure' or 'incel' - with the latter group considered a walking security risk. Let's not add to the stigma by playing another tune for the 'oh, everyone must get out there' scene.
- Dylan16807 11mo ago
  > Maybe we should not want to get prepared for RealPeople™ if all they can do is break us and disappoint us. Good thing that "if" is clearly untrue. > AI chatbots as relationship replacements are, in many ways, flight simulators: If only! It's probably closer to playing star fox than a flight sim.
  - DocTomoe 11mo ago
    > Good thing that "if" is clearly untrue. YMMV > If only! It's probably closer to playing star fox than a flight sim. But it's getting better, every day. I'd say we're in 'MS Flight Simulator 4.0' territory right now.
- __loam 11mo ago
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- IceDane 11mo ago
  Disturbing and sad.
- cess11 11mo ago
  One difference between "AI chatbots" in this context and common flight simulator games is that someone else is listening in and has the actual control over the simulation. You're not alone in the same way that you are when pining over a character in a television series or books, or crashing a virtual jumbo jet into a skyscraper in MICROS~1 Flight Simulator.
  - DocTomoe 11mo ago
    You are aware that you can, in fact, run models on your own, fully airgapped machine, right? Ollama exists. The fact that most people chose not to is no argument for 'mandatory' surveillance, just a laissez-faire attitude towards it.
    - cess11 11mo ago
DonHopkins 11mo ago
AI friends need a "Disasters" menu like SimCity. One of the first thing many Sims players do is to make a virtual version of their real boyfriend/girlfriend to torture and perform experiments on.

This. If you never train stick, you can never drive stick, just automatic. And if you never let a real person break your heart or otherwise disappoint you, you'll never be ready for real people.

DocTomoe 11mo ago

Ah, 'suffering builds character'. I haven't had that one in a while. Maybe we should not want to get prepared for RealPeople™ if all they can do is break us and disappoint us. "But RealPeople™ can also elevate, surprise, and enchant you!" you may intervene. They sure than. An still, some may decide no longer to go for new rounds of Russian roulette. Someone like that is not a lesser person, they still have real™ enjoyment in a hundred other aspects in their life from music to being a food nerd. they just don't make their happiness dependant on volatile actors. AI chatbots as relationship replacements are, in many ways, flight simulators: Are they 'the real thing'? Nah, sitting in a real Cessna almost always beats a computer screen and a keyboard. Are they always a worse situation than 'the real thing'? Simulators sure beat reality when reality is 'dual engine flameout halfway over the North Pacific' Are they cheaper? YES, significantly! Are they 'good enough'? For many, they are. Are they 'syncophantic'? Yes, insofar as that circumstances are decided beforehand. A 'real' pilot doesn't get to choose 'blue skies, little sheep clouds in the sky', they only get to chosen not to fly that day. And the standard weather settings? Not exactly 'hurricane, category 5'. Are they available, while real flight is not, to some or all members of the public? Generally yes. The simulator doesn't make you have a current medical. Are they removing pilots/humans from 'the scene'? No, not really. In fact, many pilots fly simulators for risk-free training of extreme situations. Your argument is basically 'A flight simulator won’t teach you what it feels like when the engine coughs for real at 1000 ft above ground and your hands shake on the yoke.'. No, it doesn't. An frankly, there are experiences you can live without - especially those you may not survive (emotionally). Society has always had the tendency to pathologize those who do not pursue a sexual relationship as lesser humans. (Especially) single women that were too happy in the medevieal age? Witches that needed burning. Guy who preferred reading to dancing? A 'weirdo and a creep'. English knows 'master' for the unmarried, 'incomplete' man, an 'mister' for the one who got married. And today? those who are incapable or unwilling to participate in the dating scene are branded 'girlfailure' or 'incel' - with the latter group considered a walking security risk. Let's not add to the stigma by playing another tune for the 'oh, everyone must get out there' scene.

Dylan16807 11mo ago
> Maybe we should not want to get prepared for RealPeople™ if all they can do is break us and disappoint us. Good thing that "if" is clearly untrue. > AI chatbots as relationship replacements are, in many ways, flight simulators: If only! It's probably closer to playing star fox than a flight sim.
- DocTomoe 11mo ago
  > Good thing that "if" is clearly untrue. YMMV > If only! It's probably closer to playing star fox than a flight sim. But it's getting better, every day. I'd say we're in 'MS Flight Simulator 4.0' territory right now.
__loam 11mo ago
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IceDane 11mo ago
Disturbing and sad.
cess11 11mo ago
One difference between "AI chatbots" in this context and common flight simulator games is that someone else is listening in and has the actual control over the simulation. You're not alone in the same way that you are when pining over a character in a television series or books, or crashing a virtual jumbo jet into a skyscraper in MICROS~1 Flight Simulator.
- DocTomoe 11mo ago
  You are aware that you can, in fact, run models on your own, fully airgapped machine, right? Ollama exists. The fact that most people chose not to is no argument for 'mandatory' surveillance, just a laissez-faire attitude towards it.
  - cess11 11mo ago

DonHopkins 11mo ago

AI friends need a "Disasters" menu like SimCity. One of the first thing many Sims players do is to make a virtual version of their real boyfriend/girlfriend to torture and perform experiments on.