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The evidence is not "news articles", but the contents of those articles where a high-ranking prosecutor threatened to go after GrapheneOS "if they don't coopera
by concinds 11mo ago
The evidence is not "news articles", but the contents of those articles where a high-ranking prosecutor threatened to go after GrapheneOS "if they don't cooperate with the law".
No matter your feelings about the creator, I think this was entirely the rational choice.
France is pro-Chat Control. For about a year now there's been an anti-drug trafficking fervor among legislators and government, in which they've pushed for encryption backdoors (separate from Chat Control at the EU level) and recently threatened GrapheneOS. The country is politically unstable so future politics are hard to predict, but anti-encryption politicians stand a good chance of winning the next election. Any rational project would move out.
- Lariscus 11mo agoI don't disagree about leaving France over their position on chat control or legislation. I disagree about them essentially spreading misinformation about what actually happened. One prosecutor, that probably doesn't even know what GrapheneOS is, making boisterous claims to the press, is not the same as being contacted by the state about adding a backdoors.
- jasonvorhe 11mo agoI don't get what you're saying. Interviewed cop says they'll go after them if they don't cooperate, which would mean a) requesting assistance to law enforcement via means such as backdoors and server seizures and b) resulting in legal steps against the organization and its members by France. Who in their right mind wouldn't take this a threat? After Wikileaks, the Telegram CEO, pushes for chat control and other authoritarian techniques? Sure, the cop might be a nobody in the grand scheme of things but they're representing a government agency publicly so they're probably not babbling out nonsense in a bar somewhere, being overheard by a reporter.
- 0x1ch 11mo agoDidn't France intercept Telegram's CEO to force him to backdoor the app while in country? Yes. Yes they did.
- maelito 11mo agoDurov runs an app where slave trade was known and documented, and did nothing.
- jojobas 11mo agoIf your answer to slave trade using encryption is "deny encryption to everyone" we'll have to agree to disagree.
- SiempreViernes 11mo agoFunny how you translated "comply with takedown request" into "deny encryption to everyone". Doubly funny as you seem to be implying Telegram has worthwhile encryption to start with.
- suspended_state 11mo agoI don't understand the last line in your comment: if Telegram doesn't have good encryption, why would anyone require to have a backdoor installed? Are you implying that the French government isn't able to decrypt a bad encryption scheme? Or that the idea that this government asked for a backdoor is preposterous?
- jazzyjackson 11mo agoEncryption doesn't have to be backdoord because none of the group chats on telegram are encrypted (telegram gets to claim it's "encrypted" because it's TLS between client and server, but e2ee is not claimed except for inconvenient device-to-device chat. In any case, the back door may be more of a Room 641A arrangement where all messages are intercepted by the host government, saving them the trouble of installing sockpuppet accounts in all the chatrooms they want to keep an eye on
- rixed 11mo ago