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This is very subjective. Their hardware is very good, but it's not as far ahead as you think. Intel makes SOC very comparable to M series in terms of compute a

This is very subjective. Their hardware is very good, but it's not as far ahead as you think. Intel makes SOC very comparable to M series in terms of compute and power efficiency. They're rare, but they exist. And MacOS as an operating system is slipping in many ways to open source competitors. The UI is stagnant in a lot of ways, and actively regressing in others, while open source competitors truck forward. Mind you, the same is true for Windows and to a much larger degree, but still.

carlosjobim 11mo ago
Touchpad is not subjective. And we've been waiting for at least 15 years for other manufacturers to compete. Realistically it will take 15 more years before they can be bothered. Battery life is not subjective. Same for performance, same for display quality, same for speaker quality. I deliberately tried to focus on non-subjective aspects in my original post. If you say that Intel has chips to compete with Apple on a laptop, I believe you. But I haven't heard of any such laptop until now. As for the operating system, MacOS is getting worse. A lot worse with Tahoe. But it is still the only tolerable operating system if you're working within a GUI. For programmers and sys admins who live in the terminal, this doesn't matter. Neither for people who only stay inside one application (Excel). But if you want to have applications and the operating system working together cohesively in a graphical user interface, MacOS is still about 20 years ahead of competition. Not to mention sleep/hibernate mode, which is part of the OS, and probably the single most important feature of any portable computing device.
- bluecalm 11mo ago
  There are many annoying things about Windows but Windows/app switching is light years ahead of MacOS. MacOS is slow, has annoying animations, doesn't have properly working alt+tab. I fully agree on all hardware points: battery, speakers, displays. Sleep/hibernate is a big one as well. It's surprising seeing Windows dropping the ball on this one as well. There are also things MacOS does way worse than Linux. For example Finder is pathetic.
  - carlosjobim 11mo ago
    The big problem with Cmd+Tab in MacOS is that it only works well on a US keyboard where you have the little ' key next to Tab to switch between app windows. For non-US keyboards I never figured it out. So yes, it's a weak point in MacOS. But the discussion isn't whether Apple devices have weak points, it's whether they are innovating or not. And even if they're not perfect, they are still way ahead of the competition, IMO. You're implying that Linux file managers are much ahead of Finder, what are the innovations they have? One innovation I still miss in Finder is z-snake menus for navigating, moving and copying files: https://discuss.haiku-os.org/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f76002549289783d39f5311ac4a7cfd31bde887c.png https://discuss.haiku-os.org/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f... On the other hand Finder does have Miller columns, which to me is the best way to manage and explore files.
etempleton 11mo ago
Mac OS UX is fairly atrocious now. It was slowly regressing for some time, but Liquid Glass on MacOS actively makes me sad.

carlosjobim 11mo ago

Touchpad is not subjective. And we've been waiting for at least 15 years for other manufacturers to compete. Realistically it will take 15 more years before they can be bothered. Battery life is not subjective. Same for performance, same for display quality, same for speaker quality. I deliberately tried to focus on non-subjective aspects in my original post. If you say that Intel has chips to compete with Apple on a laptop, I believe you. But I haven't heard of any such laptop until now. As for the operating system, MacOS is getting worse. A lot worse with Tahoe. But it is still the only tolerable operating system if you're working within a GUI. For programmers and sys admins who live in the terminal, this doesn't matter. Neither for people who only stay inside one application (Excel). But if you want to have applications and the operating system working together cohesively in a graphical user interface, MacOS is still about 20 years ahead of competition. Not to mention sleep/hibernate mode, which is part of the OS, and probably the single most important feature of any portable computing device.

bluecalm 11mo ago
There are many annoying things about Windows but Windows/app switching is light years ahead of MacOS. MacOS is slow, has annoying animations, doesn't have properly working alt+tab. I fully agree on all hardware points: battery, speakers, displays. Sleep/hibernate is a big one as well. It's surprising seeing Windows dropping the ball on this one as well. There are also things MacOS does way worse than Linux. For example Finder is pathetic.
- carlosjobim 11mo ago
  The big problem with Cmd+Tab in MacOS is that it only works well on a US keyboard where you have the little ' key next to Tab to switch between app windows. For non-US keyboards I never figured it out. So yes, it's a weak point in MacOS. But the discussion isn't whether Apple devices have weak points, it's whether they are innovating or not. And even if they're not perfect, they are still way ahead of the competition, IMO. You're implying that Linux file managers are much ahead of Finder, what are the innovations they have? One innovation I still miss in Finder is z-snake menus for navigating, moving and copying files: https://discuss.haiku-os.org/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f76002549289783d39f5311ac4a7cfd31bde887c.png https://discuss.haiku-os.org/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f... On the other hand Finder does have Miller columns, which to me is the best way to manage and explore files.

etempleton 11mo ago

Mac OS UX is fairly atrocious now. It was slowly regressing for some time, but Liquid Glass on MacOS actively makes me sad.