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I don't particularly care about mozilla so much as I care about Firefox, gecko, and the continued existence of at least ONE other browser. I don't want to use

I don't particularly care about mozilla so much as I care about Firefox, gecko, and the continued existence of at least ONE other browser. I don't want to use a blink based browser. If/When mozilla finally dies I don't have high hopes that Firefox won't just die with it.

charcircuit 11mo ago
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- cbondurant 11mo ago
  To me blink as a render engine is too closely coupled to Google. Even though technically chromium is disconnected and open source, the amount of leverage Google has is too high. I dread the possibility that gecko and webkit browsers truly die out, and the single biggest name in web advertising has unilateral sway over the direction of web standards. A good example of this is that through the exclusive leverage of Google, all blink based browsers are phasing out support for Manifest V2. A widely unpopular, forcing change. If I'm using a blink based browser I become vulnerable to any other profit motivated changes like that one. Mozilla might be trying their hardest to do the same with this AI shlock, but if I have to choose between the trillion dollar market cap dictator of the internet and the little kid playing pretend evil billionaire in their sandbox? Well, Mozilla is definitely the less threatening of the two in that regard.
  - bigyabai 11mo ago
    > If I'm using a blink based browser I become vulnerable to any other profit motivated changes like that one. Only if your OEM prevents you from installing competing browser engines. For most real computers it's not a concern.
    - 1718627440 11mo ago
      Yeah, what IS preventing you is the lack of competing browsers.
      - charcircuit 11mo ago
        But notably not lack of competing browser engines as the power of these decisions come from the product and not the open source libraries the product uses.
    - 7bit 11mo ago
      Oof, maybe read his comment again...
  - charcircuit 11mo ago
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    - rjdj377dhabsn 11mo ago
      I don't know the details, but breaking uBO was the obvious negative impact for users. Is there some additional information that you think would change the opinion of the users who want strong adblocking capabilities?
      - charcircuit 11mo ago
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        Blackthorn 11mo ago
        There's the not-so-small problem that the replacement for UBO is noticeably worse in many ways, which is entirely the fault of MV3.
        charcircuit 11mo ago
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        Blackthorn 11mo ago
        It's not necessarily about that performance, but importing lists, blacklisting sections, etc.
- ifh-hn 11mo ago
  Not OP but I've never used anything but Firefox. I simply want to keep using my favourite browser, the one I have most control over.
- abenga 11mo ago
  Is there any Blink browser that allows you to install uBlock origin?
  - charcircuit 11mo ago
    Brave has adblocking built into blink itself, so you no longer need to trust a 3rd party browser extention.
    - do_not_redeem 11mo ago
      I think gorhill is far more trustworthy than a whole new browser based on crypto.
      - charcircuit 11mo ago
        It's not based on cryptocurrency, there are just extra features that use it. Unstoppable domains is an optional feature. You don't need to visit them, but it gives value to people by letting them actually own their domain instead of leasing it from ICANN. Viewing ads to earn BAT is an optional feature. As I mentioned ad blocking is built in so you can have it show no ads if you want.
- debazel 11mo ago
  Not OP, but personally I very much prefer Firefox font rendering on Windows. Text in Chromium based browser looks blurry to me, which causes eye strain. Firefox also has a much sharper and better looking image down-scaling algorithm that again looks blurry in Chromium based browsers.
- hedora 11mo ago
  Have you used chrome? The depth of enshittifaction is staggering. Setting it up from scratch is like watching a Cory Doctorow documentary. The only change that’d get me to willingly use the engine would be the DOJ mandating the return of manifest v2 support and then barring google from contributing to it for the next 40 years.
NooneAtAll3 11mo ago
> the continued existence of at least ONE other browser. thankfully next generation of browsers are here - ladybug and servo, so at least something will survive even in the worst of the worst cases
- adam12 11mo ago
  Ladybug?
  - wyre 11mo ago
    Probably meant Ladybird
SamuelAdams 11mo ago
I will stick with Firefox due to multi account containers. Chrome does not offer a comparable alternative, and this extension makes working with AWS significantly easier. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/aws-sso-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/aws-sso-conta...

charcircuit 11mo ago

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cbondurant 11mo ago
To me blink as a render engine is too closely coupled to Google. Even though technically chromium is disconnected and open source, the amount of leverage Google has is too high. I dread the possibility that gecko and webkit browsers truly die out, and the single biggest name in web advertising has unilateral sway over the direction of web standards. A good example of this is that through the exclusive leverage of Google, all blink based browsers are phasing out support for Manifest V2. A widely unpopular, forcing change. If I'm using a blink based browser I become vulnerable to any other profit motivated changes like that one. Mozilla might be trying their hardest to do the same with this AI shlock, but if I have to choose between the trillion dollar market cap dictator of the internet and the little kid playing pretend evil billionaire in their sandbox? Well, Mozilla is definitely the less threatening of the two in that regard.
- bigyabai 11mo ago
  > If I'm using a blink based browser I become vulnerable to any other profit motivated changes like that one. Only if your OEM prevents you from installing competing browser engines. For most real computers it's not a concern.
  - 1718627440 11mo ago
    Yeah, what IS preventing you is the lack of competing browsers.
    - charcircuit 11mo ago
      But notably not lack of competing browser engines as the power of these decisions come from the product and not the open source libraries the product uses.
  - 7bit 11mo ago
    Oof, maybe read his comment again...
- charcircuit 11mo ago
  [flagged]
  - rjdj377dhabsn 11mo ago
    I don't know the details, but breaking uBO was the obvious negative impact for users. Is there some additional information that you think would change the opinion of the users who want strong adblocking capabilities?
    - charcircuit 11mo ago
      [flagged]
      - Blackthorn 11mo ago
        There's the not-so-small problem that the replacement for UBO is noticeably worse in many ways, which is entirely the fault of MV3.
        charcircuit 11mo ago
        [flagged]
        Blackthorn 11mo ago
        It's not necessarily about that performance, but importing lists, blacklisting sections, etc.
ifh-hn 11mo ago
Not OP but I've never used anything but Firefox. I simply want to keep using my favourite browser, the one I have most control over.
abenga 11mo ago
Is there any Blink browser that allows you to install uBlock origin?
- charcircuit 11mo ago
  Brave has adblocking built into blink itself, so you no longer need to trust a 3rd party browser extention.
  - do_not_redeem 11mo ago
    I think gorhill is far more trustworthy than a whole new browser based on crypto.
    - charcircuit 11mo ago
      It's not based on cryptocurrency, there are just extra features that use it. Unstoppable domains is an optional feature. You don't need to visit them, but it gives value to people by letting them actually own their domain instead of leasing it from ICANN. Viewing ads to earn BAT is an optional feature. As I mentioned ad blocking is built in so you can have it show no ads if you want.
debazel 11mo ago
Not OP, but personally I very much prefer Firefox font rendering on Windows. Text in Chromium based browser looks blurry to me, which causes eye strain. Firefox also has a much sharper and better looking image down-scaling algorithm that again looks blurry in Chromium based browsers.
hedora 11mo ago
Have you used chrome? The depth of enshittifaction is staggering. Setting it up from scratch is like watching a Cory Doctorow documentary. The only change that’d get me to willingly use the engine would be the DOJ mandating the return of manifest v2 support and then barring google from contributing to it for the next 40 years.

NooneAtAll3 11mo ago

> the continued existence of at least ONE other browser. thankfully next generation of browsers are here - ladybug and servo, so at least something will survive even in the worst of the worst cases

adam12 11mo ago
Ladybug?
- wyre 11mo ago
  Probably meant Ladybird

SamuelAdams 11mo ago

I will stick with Firefox due to multi account containers. Chrome does not offer a comparable alternative, and this extension makes working with AWS significantly easier. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/aws-sso-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/aws-sso-conta...