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All for it, but free birth control should also be provided.

by Workaccount2 11mo ago

zeroonetwothree 11mo ago
Children are a positive externality so we should actually tax birth control rather than make it free. ;)
- LadyCailin 11mo ago
  I’ll even begin to entertain this argument only once the burden of having and raising children falls on society as a whole, and not individual women. Until then, absolutely not.
  - hammock 11mo ago
    [flagged]
- venturecruelty 11mo ago
  Sounds like you're volunteering your time and resources to help raise them! Thanks, you can stop by the adoption agency any time today. :)
tehjoker 11mo ago
That's true that it would be good for more access to birth control, but this is a confusing statement because you benefit economically and socially from each new kid that is born and raised. If child care is socialized, it means that the kids are going to be better taken care of versus the mother is impoverished and (a) doesn't work and stays poor or (b) does work and they aren't taken care of properly. I guess you can make a malthusian argument that the poors will just replicate indefinitely as resources are made available, but I don't think that's believable at all. You should be focused on making sure those future citizens are properly educated and socialized.
hammock 11mo ago
Why? Do we have too many children?
- dafelst 11mo ago
  In some places (esp those with low access to birth control and sub-par sexual health education), there are too many unplanned children being born to people who do not have the means to comfortably raise a child without being in poverty. Free/low-cost birth control and better sex ed are proven to reduce these instances substantially.
  - hammock 11mo ago
    If someone has the means to comfortably raise a child without being in poverty do they still need free childcare then?
    - dafelst 11mo ago
      Often programs like this are subsidized based on income such that if they can afford it, it is subsidized less, or you do not qualify past a certain income. That is one method of managing the program's costs, while still benefitting those who are most heavily affected. This program doesn't appear to do that, but many do. I am not sure what point you are trying to make though.
    - Workaccount2 11mo ago
      Having an extra $2k/mo per child laying around puts you in a pretty high income bracket.
- venturecruelty 11mo ago
  Yes. And stop bringing your kids to breweries.
nradov 11mo ago
Free condoms are widely available. https://www.goodrx.com/health-topic/sexual-health/free-condoms https://www.goodrx.com/health-topic/sexual-health/free-condo...
Avshalom 11mo ago
We do also have reproductive care written into law.

All for it, but free birth control should also be provided.

zeroonetwothree 11mo ago

Children are a positive externality so we should actually tax birth control rather than make it free. ;)

LadyCailin 11mo ago
I’ll even begin to entertain this argument only once the burden of having and raising children falls on society as a whole, and not individual women. Until then, absolutely not.
- hammock 11mo ago
  [flagged]
venturecruelty 11mo ago
Sounds like you're volunteering your time and resources to help raise them! Thanks, you can stop by the adoption agency any time today. :)

tehjoker 11mo ago

That's true that it would be good for more access to birth control, but this is a confusing statement because you benefit economically and socially from each new kid that is born and raised. If child care is socialized, it means that the kids are going to be better taken care of versus the mother is impoverished and (a) doesn't work and stays poor or (b) does work and they aren't taken care of properly. I guess you can make a malthusian argument that the poors will just replicate indefinitely as resources are made available, but I don't think that's believable at all. You should be focused on making sure those future citizens are properly educated and socialized.

hammock 11mo ago

Why? Do we have too many children?

dafelst 11mo ago
In some places (esp those with low access to birth control and sub-par sexual health education), there are too many unplanned children being born to people who do not have the means to comfortably raise a child without being in poverty. Free/low-cost birth control and better sex ed are proven to reduce these instances substantially.
- hammock 11mo ago
  If someone has the means to comfortably raise a child without being in poverty do they still need free childcare then?
  - dafelst 11mo ago
    Often programs like this are subsidized based on income such that if they can afford it, it is subsidized less, or you do not qualify past a certain income. That is one method of managing the program's costs, while still benefitting those who are most heavily affected. This program doesn't appear to do that, but many do. I am not sure what point you are trying to make though.
  - Workaccount2 11mo ago
    Having an extra $2k/mo per child laying around puts you in a pretty high income bracket.
venturecruelty 11mo ago
Yes. And stop bringing your kids to breweries.

nradov 11mo ago

Free condoms are widely available. https://www.goodrx.com/health-topic/sexual-health/free-condoms https://www.goodrx.com/health-topic/sexual-health/free-condo...

Avshalom 11mo ago

We do also have reproductive care written into law.