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I promise this isn’t a trap, it’s just my curiosity as a “flexitarian”. What (mostly) keeps me from eating animals is my mind wandering sometimes when making a
by testfrequency 11mo ago
I promise this isn’t a trap, it’s just my curiosity as a “flexitarian”. What (mostly) keeps me from eating animals is my mind wandering sometimes when making a protein choice about how they ended up there, wherever I am, not by choice.
Are you vegan?
- MangoToupe 11mo agoGoats are just as tasty if you raised them, IMO. Maybe even tastier.
- angiolillo 11mo agoBy "tastier" do you mean more physically pleasurable because you could ensure the animal's good health, ethically preferable because you could ensure a (mostly) good life, emotionally enjoyable because you can fondly remember interacting with them, or something else?
- MangoToupe 11mo agoI mean the goats I have today I only have because we bred them to be useful to us, and that being neurotic about the food we eat rarely helps any living thing. Of course I treat my goats well, and I love them. But this doesn't factor much into the ethics of why we eat them in the first place. If I didn't eat them they wouldn't exist. The entire problem is close to nonsensical.
- angiolillo 11mo agoI'm still not sure how that makes them "maybe even tastier" when you raise them yourself? > If I didn't eat them they wouldn't exist. Does that mean that if I bring something into existence that anything I choose do to it is therefore ethical, or is eating special? (To be clear, I think there are a number of solid arguments for eating animals, I just don't think that's one of them.)
- AndrewKemendo 11mo agoYou can’t avoid the reality that’s your life depends on something else dying. Either plant insect or animal How and why you draw the line on what is acceptable to kill is mostly arbitrary I’d argue a mushroom or a bee are more “conscious” than most chickens
- crat3r 11mo agoYou think that a mushroom is more capable of intelligent thought and emotion driven decisions than a chicken? lmao
- AndrewKemendo 11mo agoMaybe you should learn about what a mushroom is
- crat3r 11mo agoThree and four are both non-zero numbers. Zero constitutes the absence of value. Therefore, three and four are of the same value. You see the problem here, right? I'm not saying that fungi have not be recorded as having potential intelligent thought. I am saying that in no world is their capability for intelligence remotely comparable to that of a creature with a fully functioning brain, especially a bird. Having the ability to react to your environment does not make you AS or more intelligent than other things that can also do that... EDIT: I'm using intelligence and consciousness interchangeably here when I don't necessarily mean to, but my point stands.
- jezek2 11mo agoChickens are very intelligent, it just happens that most people ever see chickens in overcrowded small spaces where they behave idiotically. So would you if you would be in the same situation.
- pstuart 11mo agoI kept chickens for a while and it was very clear that they'd be more than happy to eat us if able to.
- sitkack 11mo agoI am not a vegan, but many of my meals are vegan. Most of my meals are vegetarian, but I do eat meat. I do not eat pork, octopus or goat. I also keep my dietary preferences very low key. In a social setting, if I accidentally eat something I try and avoid, I don't make a fuss.
- tstrimple 11mo agoOut of curiosity do you extend this to gelatin? My daughter has recently take a stance against pork. She doesn’t make a fuss, just doesn’t eat it or gelatin because of the prevalence of pork bones used to make it.
- testfrequency 11mo agoWe sound nearly identical, though I may consume more dairy and fish than you. Thank you for responding also. I felt like you were someone who had similar values just through the subtext of your response and I was curious if we aligned.