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Its been proven many times over that the majority of "illegal" immigrants, whether they come US and either overstay their allowance, or manage to skirt by on re

Its been proven many times over that the majority of "illegal" immigrants, whether they come US and either overstay their allowance, or manage to skirt by on refugee status, are all predominately doing it for financial reasons, willing to work jobs for lower pay that Americans will never do, which is a huge benefit for economy. This idea that border control somehow failed is a lie sold to you by republicans. Also Trump killed the CBP funding bill in early 2024 that would have addressed a lot of issues.

newfriend 11mo ago
> willing to work jobs for lower pay that Americans will never do, which is a huge benefit for economy. Pushing wages down for low-skilled work is possibly good for the economy, but it's very bad for low-skilled American workers. > This idea that border control somehow failed is a lie sold to you by republicans. There are millions of illegal aliens in the US. From 2021 to 2024, several millions more entered the US. > Also Trump killed the CBP funding bill in early 2024 that would have addressed a lot of issues. Conjecture. Trump was not in office in 2024. That bill may or may not have addressed some issues, while also creating new issues or making things worse.
- ActorNightly 11mo ago
  >Pushing wages down for low-skilled work is possibly good for the economy, but it's very bad for low-skilled American workers. Thats why minimum wage laws specifically exist. Everybody wins. >There are millions of illegal aliens in the US. From 2021 to 2024, several millions more entered the US. The border bill that Trump killed would have increased funding to CBP to speed up the process of determining who is fit to stay and who isn't because so many people were entering that there wasn't enough staff to process cases quicker. >Conjecture. Nice try lol. I know yall LOVE to rewrite history, but that doesn't fly anymore. Everything is on record on why Republicans voted against it.
  - newfriend 11mo ago
    Illegal aliens operate outside of minimum wage laws obviously. Yes that is one of the things that bill would have done, along with hundreds of other things which may or may not have been beneficial or detrimental. And again, Trump didn't kill anything. He was not in office. There were many criticisms of that bill on its merits. The criticisms are on record as you said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944 > In this video, several Republican Senators express their blunt dismissal of the so-called "bipartisan" border security bill, highlighting their reasons for opposition and their dissatisfaction with the negotiation process and their leadership.
    - ActorNightly 11mo ago
      Just in case it wasn't clear from my last comment, because you don't live the same reality as I do, we can't have a conversation. Trump did kill the bill, no matter what you believe, and you lack the critical thinking skills (or too blinded by ideology), to understand this. Hopefully, once US economy tanks, and you lose years of your life due to stress and a good portion of your retirement funds, you will understand this because its impossible for you to learn this any other way.
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- cwillu 11mo ago
  “Still, the president conceded that "all indications are this bill won't even move forward to the Senate floor", despite the support of the Border Patrol Union. "Why?" he asked. "A simple reason: Donald Trump. Because Donald Trump thinks it's bad for him politically." Mr Biden said the former president had spent the past 24 hours lobbying Republicans in the House and Senate in an effort to torpedo the proposal. He said Mr Trump had tried to intimidate Republican lawmakers, "and it looks like they're caving". Mr Biden urged the lawmakers to "show some spine". The Trump campaign blasted the Biden speech, calling it "an embarrassment to our Nation and a slap in the face to the American people". Spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt called Mr Biden's criticism of Mr Trump "a brazen, pathetic lie and the American people know the truth". Her statement also said Mr Trump's policies had "created the most secure border in American history, and it was Joe Biden who reversed them". On Monday, Mr Trump posted on social media that "only a fool, or a radical left Democrat" would vote for the bill. ” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136461 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136461
  - newfriend 11mo ago
    What exactly is your paste here supposed to prove? That Biden is trying to blame Trump for the border disaster that he caused? Give me a break. Here are some Republican Senators talking about their criticisms of the bill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944 It sure doesn't sound like a "really good bill" that only failed because Trump said so. That is a Democrat-spun narrative.
nomdep 11mo ago
> willing to work jobs for lower pay that Americans will never do WTF? So your arguments is that stealing American jobs and not paying taxes “it’s good for the economy”? Even if that were true, slavery is also “good for the economy”, but that doesn’t make it a good thing
- FireBeyond 11mo ago
  And yet, while a visa overstay is a misdemeanor, assisting someone to stay or work while unauthorized is a felony, that does more damage to the economy, but this administration seems "remarkably" unwilling to prosecute that. Undocumented Tyson Chicken employees handed over paperwork _from Tyson_ that was given to over 900 of them where the company told them how to fill out government/tax/payroll forms when undocumented so as to stay under the radar... and CBP said that wasn't part of the scope of their investigation into Tyson, and did precisely nothing about that. Hormel, much the same. The bitching and moaning about "the economy" by Republicans is so amazingly selective - it's funny how they focus on that, while ignoring how _awfully convenient_ it is to farm, livestock, food production and other employers and businesses it is to have access to that same labor pool.
- ActorNightly 11mo ago
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  - pfannkuchen 11mo ago
    If you can’t afford to pay enough, you don’t have a viable business. This is a standard argument for minimum wage, which is reasonable, and it applies here as well, no?
    - ActorNightly 11mo ago
      The point is that there isn't a large amount of Americans that are willing to work for minimum wage, because we got used to a standard of living. You aren't going to force people to go to work for minimum wage in positions that are usually taken up by immigrants, because those people already have higher paying jobs - the unemployment (at least pre 2025) was like at an all time low. For economy to be healthy, money has to exchange hands. The more you do this, the better the economy gets. This is why US was so far ahead of other countries because we had way less restrictions on this. And being welcoming to people at all income levels is necessarily a part of this, because at the end of the day, even the fanciest car requires low skilled labor to builds roads for.

newfriend 11mo ago

> willing to work jobs for lower pay that Americans will never do, which is a huge benefit for economy. Pushing wages down for low-skilled work is possibly good for the economy, but it's very bad for low-skilled American workers. > This idea that border control somehow failed is a lie sold to you by republicans. There are millions of illegal aliens in the US. From 2021 to 2024, several millions more entered the US. > Also Trump killed the CBP funding bill in early 2024 that would have addressed a lot of issues. Conjecture. Trump was not in office in 2024. That bill may or may not have addressed some issues, while also creating new issues or making things worse.

ActorNightly 11mo ago
>Pushing wages down for low-skilled work is possibly good for the economy, but it's very bad for low-skilled American workers. Thats why minimum wage laws specifically exist. Everybody wins. >There are millions of illegal aliens in the US. From 2021 to 2024, several millions more entered the US. The border bill that Trump killed would have increased funding to CBP to speed up the process of determining who is fit to stay and who isn't because so many people were entering that there wasn't enough staff to process cases quicker. >Conjecture. Nice try lol. I know yall LOVE to rewrite history, but that doesn't fly anymore. Everything is on record on why Republicans voted against it.
- newfriend 11mo ago
  Illegal aliens operate outside of minimum wage laws obviously. Yes that is one of the things that bill would have done, along with hundreds of other things which may or may not have been beneficial or detrimental. And again, Trump didn't kill anything. He was not in office. There were many criticisms of that bill on its merits. The criticisms are on record as you said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944 > In this video, several Republican Senators express their blunt dismissal of the so-called "bipartisan" border security bill, highlighting their reasons for opposition and their dissatisfaction with the negotiation process and their leadership.
  - ActorNightly 11mo ago
    Just in case it wasn't clear from my last comment, because you don't live the same reality as I do, we can't have a conversation. Trump did kill the bill, no matter what you believe, and you lack the critical thinking skills (or too blinded by ideology), to understand this. Hopefully, once US economy tanks, and you lose years of your life due to stress and a good portion of your retirement funds, you will understand this because its impossible for you to learn this any other way.
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cwillu 11mo ago
“Still, the president conceded that "all indications are this bill won't even move forward to the Senate floor", despite the support of the Border Patrol Union. "Why?" he asked. "A simple reason: Donald Trump. Because Donald Trump thinks it's bad for him politically." Mr Biden said the former president had spent the past 24 hours lobbying Republicans in the House and Senate in an effort to torpedo the proposal. He said Mr Trump had tried to intimidate Republican lawmakers, "and it looks like they're caving". Mr Biden urged the lawmakers to "show some spine". The Trump campaign blasted the Biden speech, calling it "an embarrassment to our Nation and a slap in the face to the American people". Spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt called Mr Biden's criticism of Mr Trump "a brazen, pathetic lie and the American people know the truth". Her statement also said Mr Trump's policies had "created the most secure border in American history, and it was Joe Biden who reversed them". On Monday, Mr Trump posted on social media that "only a fool, or a radical left Democrat" would vote for the bill. ” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136461 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136461
- newfriend 11mo ago
  What exactly is your paste here supposed to prove? That Biden is trying to blame Trump for the border disaster that he caused? Give me a break. Here are some Republican Senators talking about their criticisms of the bill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944 It sure doesn't sound like a "really good bill" that only failed because Trump said so. That is a Democrat-spun narrative.

nomdep 11mo ago

> willing to work jobs for lower pay that Americans will never do WTF? So your arguments is that stealing American jobs and not paying taxes “it’s good for the economy”? Even if that were true, slavery is also “good for the economy”, but that doesn’t make it a good thing

FireBeyond 11mo ago
And yet, while a visa overstay is a misdemeanor, assisting someone to stay or work while unauthorized is a felony, that does more damage to the economy, but this administration seems "remarkably" unwilling to prosecute that. Undocumented Tyson Chicken employees handed over paperwork _from Tyson_ that was given to over 900 of them where the company told them how to fill out government/tax/payroll forms when undocumented so as to stay under the radar... and CBP said that wasn't part of the scope of their investigation into Tyson, and did precisely nothing about that. Hormel, much the same. The bitching and moaning about "the economy" by Republicans is so amazingly selective - it's funny how they focus on that, while ignoring how _awfully convenient_ it is to farm, livestock, food production and other employers and businesses it is to have access to that same labor pool.
ActorNightly 11mo ago
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- pfannkuchen 11mo ago
  If you can’t afford to pay enough, you don’t have a viable business. This is a standard argument for minimum wage, which is reasonable, and it applies here as well, no?
  - ActorNightly 11mo ago
    The point is that there isn't a large amount of Americans that are willing to work for minimum wage, because we got used to a standard of living. You aren't going to force people to go to work for minimum wage in positions that are usually taken up by immigrants, because those people already have higher paying jobs - the unemployment (at least pre 2025) was like at an all time low. For economy to be healthy, money has to exchange hands. The more you do this, the better the economy gets. This is why US was so far ahead of other countries because we had way less restrictions on this. And being welcoming to people at all income levels is necessarily a part of this, because at the end of the day, even the fanciest car requires low skilled labor to builds roads for.